Israel & Palestine

[Ms Harmless]

Where… Did that guy buy a map and history book?

Narnia??

does he think South Asian people pushed white Brits to the extreme margins of a specific area and started to control their autonomy after the war? weird

[B]

It's genocide, but we'd stop if the Palestinians would just get over it and stop whining.

[dimejinky99]

[dimejinky99]

Fucking deranged. Evil.

[spike]

There’ve been news helicopters over our neighborhood all morning. Turns out it’s this a couple blocks away:

[spike]

Loud ass news choppers are finally gone. Hopefully things went down peacefully over there.

[spike]

Loud ass choppers are back. Pigs must’ve taken their union break early.

[BurtReynolds]

Thoughts and prayers for you and your family stuck in that warzone.

[Bi_3]

Thoughts and prayers for you and your family stuck in that warzone.

You've heard of the "longhouse leftist", Spike is the "lakehouse leftist"

I kid, I kid

[McParadigm]

Conservatives are getting better at humor, and the left is terrified

[McParadigm]

I mean, obviously not in this thread. But I’m sure it’s happening somewhere.

[BurtReynolds]

I meant Chicago in general.

[spike]

time to get outta dodge

[dimejinky99]

Arrest warrant issued for Netenyahu

[dimejinky99]

‘The International Criminal Court has just issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and Defence Minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas leaders.

Israel's leadership is charged with

- Starvation

- Causing great suffering

- Wilful killing / murder

- Directing attacks against a civilian population

- Crimes against humanity of extermination and murder

- Persecution and other humane acts’

[simple schoolboy]

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/isra ... eding-gaza

I didn't find this compelling at all. The more apt comparison isn't to Afghanistan COIN or the Tribal Awakening, it's to Mosul or other urban conflicts with ISIS. This is what they went in claiming the objective was.

If a 1km buffer zone and controlling border crossings was the objective, there isn't a very compelling reason to go into Rafah. 10, 20K more civilian casualties to what, degrade Hamas from 70% to 80% (made up numbers)? Could've gotten that buffer zone* done much faster than whatever it is they are attempting to accomplish. It's not clear that they know what their desired end state is or if it's achievable. "It's too expensive to keep Reservists activated" is not a valid consideration for what is allegedly an existential risk.

* Arbitrary 1km buffer zone could also be established within Israeli territory, at least away from the Egypt border

[Bi_3]

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/isra ... eding-gaza

I didn't find this compelling at all. The more apt comparison isn't to Afghanistan COIN or the Tribal Awakening, it's to Mosul or other urban conflicts with ISIS. This is what they went in claiming the objective was.

If a 1km buffer zone and controlling border crossings was the objective, there isn't a very compelling reason to go into Rafah. 10, 20K more civilian casualties to what, degrade Hamas from 70% to 80% (made up numbers)? Could've gotten that buffer zone* done much faster than whatever it is they are attempting to accomplish. It's not clear that they know what their desired end state is or if it's achievable. "It's too expensive to keep Reservists activated" is not a valid consideration for what is allegedly an existential risk.

* Arbitrary 1km buffer zone could also be established within Israeli territory, at least away from the Egypt border

I don't follow here. What would a buffer zone on the Israeli side of the border fence accomplish vs. on the Gazan side?

[simple schoolboy]

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/isra ... eding-gaza

I didn't find this compelling at all. The more apt comparison isn't to Afghanistan COIN or the Tribal Awakening, it's to Mosul or other urban conflicts with ISIS. This is what they went in claiming the objective was.

If a 1km buffer zone and controlling border crossings was the objective, there isn't a very compelling reason to go into Rafah. 10, 20K more civilian casualties to what, degrade Hamas from 70% to 80% (made up numbers)? Could've gotten that buffer zone* done much faster than whatever it is they are attempting to accomplish. It's not clear that they know what their desired end state is or if it's achievable. "It's too expensive to keep Reservists activated" is not a valid consideration for what is allegedly an existential risk.

* Arbitrary 1km buffer zone could also be established within Israeli territory, at least away from the Egypt border

I don't follow here. What would a buffer zone on the Israeli side of the border fence accomplish vs. on the Gazan side?

What does it accomplish on the Gaza side? What are they going for beyond an Israeli controlled defensible open space? Would've been faster and cheaper to establish that in an already mostly clear area. Probably would need to be more like 5 km if the objective is to reduce the risk of anti tank guided missile attacks.

[Bi_3]

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/isra ... eding-gaza

I didn't find this compelling at all. The more apt comparison isn't to Afghanistan COIN or the Tribal Awakening, it's to Mosul or other urban conflicts with ISIS. This is what they went in claiming the objective was.

If a 1km buffer zone and controlling border crossings was the objective, there isn't a very compelling reason to go into Rafah. 10, 20K more civilian casualties to what, degrade Hamas from 70% to 80% (made up numbers)? Could've gotten that buffer zone* done much faster than whatever it is they are attempting to accomplish. It's not clear that they know what their desired end state is or if it's achievable. "It's too expensive to keep Reservists activated" is not a valid consideration for what is allegedly an existential risk.

* Arbitrary 1km buffer zone could also be established within Israeli territory, at least away from the Egypt border

I don't follow here. What would a buffer zone on the Israeli side of the border fence accomplish vs. on the Gazan side?

What does it accomplish on the Gaza side? What are they going for beyond an Israeli controlled defensible open space? Would've been faster and cheaper to establish that in an already mostly clear area. Probably would need to be more like 5 km if the objective is to reduce the risk of anti tank guided missile attacks.

Dunno man. Generally you don’t put the moat inside the castle

[McParadigm]

Historically speaking, the people with castles were the worst.