Since the topic of Jedi kidnappings is on the table this week, I was wondering: do you think Qui-Gon actually filed the paperwork to free Anakin from his bondage, or was he a slave in the ownership of the Jedi Order until its destruction at the end of Episode III? He doesn’t strike me as a “wait patiently in line at the social security office” kind of guy.
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Just a bunch of metal and rock igniting in seconds from a candle
I'm pretty sure we're meant to wonder about that. That's more to the story that we haven't seen yet. This is a Rashomon situation.
This is like talking to stip about Backspacer.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
But keep in mind that the first two episodes had dual titles (Lost/Found and Revenge/Justice). These, to me, represent the conflicting POV's of our twins. We get both of their perspectives in those episodes. Episode 3 is just Destiny. There is no second perspective no "/" in the title. That seems like a pretty straightforward and clear indication that we're only seeing one perspective on this episode. What's the other?
I thought maybe the witches were the beginning of the "Dark Side" of the force but then they were all easily killed by an angry child with a candle so now im not sure what to believe anymore!
Also, backspacer is way better than this, this is maybe lightning bolt.
I just can’t get over how much of the writing is wasted on constantly explaining what’s happening to the audience.
You can almost hear the scriptwriters going “OK, we need to tell the audience what the conflict in this scene is. They won’t understand it if we don’t state it directly. So let’s have the Jedi character say ‘you cannot deny the Jedi’s right to test the girls.’”
“There. It’s dull and clunky, but there’s no need for the audience to rely on subtext or implication. We have explicitly told them that the Jedi have an understood right in this matter.”
But then they think “hmmm….that does sound pretty aggressive, though. We don’t want the audience to get confused and think maybe Sol is the bad guy. We better add something to show that he’s also respectful.”
So the full line becomes “You cannot deny that the Jedi have a right to test the girls… With your permission of course.”
And the writers must be like “we did it! Problem solved. Moving on.”
And it just doesn’t matter that it makes no sense. It’s not there to make sense, or to be interesting, or develop stakes or character in any way. It’s all just there to tell the audience exactly what is happening and exactly how to feel about it.
You cannot deny the Jedi’s right to test the girls. Unless you don’t give us permission, of course. In which case you’ve denied it. So I don’t know. It doesn’t matter.
McParadigm wrote:I just can’t get over how much of the writing is wasted on constantly explaining what’s happening to the audience.
You can almost hear the scriptwriters going “OK, we need to tell the audience what the conflict in this scene is. They won’t understand it if we don’t state it directly. So let’s have the Jedi character say ‘you cannot deny the Jedi’s right to test the girls.’”
“There. It’s dull and clunky, but there’s no need for the audience to rely on subtext or implication. We have explicitly told them that the Jedi have an understood right in this matter.”
But then they think “hmmm….that does sound pretty aggressive, though. We don’t want the audience to get confused and think maybe Sol is the bad guy. We better add something to show that he’s also respectful.”
So the full line becomes “You cannot deny that the Jedi have a right to test the girls… With your permission of course.”
And the writers must be like “we did it! Problem solved. Moving on.”
And it just doesn’t matter that it makes no sense. It’s not there to make sense, or to be interesting, or develop stakes or character in any way. It’s all just there to tell the audience exactly what is happening and exactly how to feel about it.
You cannot deny the Jedi’s right to test the girls. Unless you don’t give us permission, of course. In which case you’ve denied it. So I don’t know. It doesn’t matter.
Undoubtedly, this line would be arrived at only after multiple meetings involving at least a dozen different people from several different departments.
Strat wrote:I thought maybe the witches were the beginning of the "Dark Side" of the force but then they were all easily killed by an angry child with a candle so now im not sure what to believe anymore!
Also, backspacer is way better than this, this is maybe lightning bolt.
Don't forget the two big clues: Torbin's extreme guilt, and the drop about the generator acting up.
This isn't gonna just be a "kid with a candle". There's more going on..
Strat wrote:I thought maybe the witches were the beginning of the "Dark Side" of the force but then they were all easily killed by an angry child with a candle so now im not sure what to believe anymore!
Also, backspacer is way better than this, this is maybe lightning bolt.
Don't forget the two big clues: Torbin's extreme guilt, and the drop about the generator acting up.
This isn't gonna just be a "kid with a candle". There's more going on..
I am going to keep watching the show because star wars....
However, it absolutely has not shown any hope for something more going on than what is obvious at this point. I think Torbin's guilt is absolutely just showing up to begin with to take the children and nothing more.
McParadigm wrote:I just can’t get over how much of the writing is wasted on constantly explaining what’s happening to the audience.
You can almost hear the scriptwriters going “OK, we need to tell the audience what the conflict in this scene is. They won’t understand it if we don’t state it directly. So let’s have the Jedi character say ‘you cannot deny the Jedi’s right to test the girls.’”
“There. It’s dull and clunky, but there’s no need for the audience to rely on subtext or implication. We have explicitly told them that the Jedi have an understood right in this matter.”
But then they think “hmmm….that does sound pretty aggressive, though. We don’t want the audience to get confused and think maybe Sol is the bad guy. We better add something to show that he’s also respectful.”
So the full line becomes “You cannot deny that the Jedi have a right to test the girls… With your permission of course.”
And the writers must be like “we did it! Problem solved. Moving on.”
And it just doesn’t matter that it makes no sense. It’s not there to make sense, or to be interesting, or develop stakes or character in any way. It’s all just there to tell the audience exactly what is happening and exactly how to feel about it.
You cannot deny the Jedi’s right to test the girls. Unless you don’t give us permission, of course. In which case you’ve denied it. So I don’t know. It doesn’t matter.
Well first of all (pushes glasses up on his nose) it's Indara that says that, not Sol. And secondly, my read on that is very different. I thought it actually revealed a lot about Indara and the Jedi in this era. And Mother Aniseya's reaction reveals that. It was condescending and insincere. The Witches are aware of it.
Strat wrote:I thought maybe the witches were the beginning of the "Dark Side" of the force but then they were all easily killed by an angry child with a candle so now im not sure what to believe anymore!
Also, backspacer is way better than this, this is maybe lightning bolt.
Don't forget the two big clues: Torbin's extreme guilt, and the drop about the generator acting up.
This isn't gonna just be a "kid with a candle". There's more going on..
I am going to keep watching the show because star wars....
However, it absolutely has not shown any hope for something more going on than what is obvious at this point. I think Torbin's guilt is absolutely just showing up to begin with to take the children and nothing more.
We'll have to see how it plays out. I don't think the guy willing kills himself if that's the case.
If you're all right and there's nothing more to most of this then it will turn out to be a total failure. And that will suck. But I think there are so many interesting ideas and creative people involved that I'm willing to have hope.
If they were gonna make an Old Republic show deconstructing the Jedi (groan), they should have just based it on KOTOR II (which is also centered around a woman!), which actually had good writing by someone who actually knew what they were doing (Chris Avellone). But then again, I'm glad these Disney hacks didn't touch it.
