Election 2024: Last One Out, Hit The Lights

[BurtReynolds]

I'm pro-laziness, so it's actually a compliment.

[BurtReynolds]

"We're a big tent! We have pop stars and war criminals!"

Why the fuck is he even acknowledging the Cheneys? That's like acknowledging an endorsement from David Duke. And lol at thinking that it somehow pulls in libertarians. That makes no sense at all.

Why is Harris even appearing with Liz Cheney? What is this campaign?

[Peeps]

Burt just wants to be able to call black people lazy again.

like he ever stopped

Y’all ever considered discussing ideas instead of other people?

have you ever considered the idea of taking the stick out of your ass?

[Bi_3]

Burt just wants to be able to call black people lazy again.

like he ever stopped

Y’all ever considered discussing ideas instead of other people?

have you ever considered the idea of taking the stick out of your ass?

My body, my choice

[tommy]

"We're a big tent! We have pop stars and war criminals!"

Why the fuck is he even acknowledging the Cheneys? That's like acknowledging an endorsement from David Duke. And lol at thinking that it somehow pulls in libertarians. That makes no sense at all.

Why is Harris even appearing with Liz Cheney? What is this campaign?

I don't get it. I saw a post somewhere lamenting the fact that GWB hadn't endorsed Harris - Good! Who wants to hear from these fucking neo-con war criminals? They should all be in prison.

[Higgs]

Burt just wants to be able to call black people lazy again.

like he ever stopped

Y’all ever considered discussing ideas instead of other people?

None of your candidates do it, why should we?

I thought that was how US politics was played out these days.

[96583UP]

Moderate Republicans 4 Kamala

[Bi_3]

Burt just wants to be able to call black people lazy again.

like he ever stopped

Y’all ever considered discussing ideas instead of other people?

None of your candidates do it, why should we?

I thought that was how US politics was played out these days.

You are correct, it is, but that fact is evidence of a societal level failure. At some point we popularized worshiping the political speaker instead of what was spoken and that shift is a large part of what has caused the spiral we are in.

[tommy]

Burt just wants to be able to call black people lazy again.

like he ever stopped

Y’all ever considered discussing ideas instead of other people?

None of your candidates do it, why should we?

I thought that was how US politics was played out these days.

You are correct, it is, but that fact is evidence of a societal level failure. At some point we popularized worshiping the political speaker instead of what was spoken and that shift is a large part of what has caused the spiral we are in.

Serious question - when was the average person actually properly informed? Before TV? Before radio?

[Peeps]

Burt just wants to be able to call black people lazy again.

like he ever stopped

Y’all ever considered discussing ideas instead of other people?

None of your candidates do it, why should we?

I thought that was how US politics was played out these days.

You are correct, it is, but that fact is evidence of a societal level failure. At some point we popularized worshiping the political speaker instead of what was spoken and that shift is a large part of what has caused the spiral we are in.

i think there are more people who actually care about what is spoken more than who worship the speaker. maga, bernie brothers and ultra libs care more about the speakers but that isnt a majority by any stretch

[BurtReynolds]

Honestly, given that their policies are largely set in stone by the machine (that runs with or without them,) and they can - and do - break any and all campaign promises, studying their policy positions is a complete waste of time. I don't waste time with such nonsense.

It's all about the vibe.

[tommy]

Burt just wants to be able to call black people lazy again.

like he ever stopped

Y’all ever considered discussing ideas instead of other people?

None of your candidates do it, why should we?

I thought that was how US politics was played out these days.

You are correct, it is, but that fact is evidence of a societal level failure. At some point we popularized worshiping the political speaker instead of what was spoken and that shift is a large part of what has caused the spiral we are in.

i think there are more people who actually care about what is spoken more than who worship the speaker. maga, bernie brothers and ultra libs care more about the speakers but that isnt a majority by any stretch

As Burt said, the problem is that what is spoken is largely bullshit (as is most of the news) so being informed is worthless.

[Bi_3]

As Burt said, the problem is that what is spoken is largely bullshit (as is most of the news) so being informed is worthless.

I disagree and I think there are two things here:

1.) The words have little value because we care more about the speaker. That's the (mc)paradigm that must be inverted.

2.) Breaking the cycle of unalterable establishment control is one of the reasons Trump is so hated. He did so much dumb shit that was counter the establishment he proved change could be made, even if the specific changes he made were net negative to the country.

[B]

Breaking the cycle of unalterable establishment control is one of the reasons Trump is so hated. He did so much dumb shit that was counter the establishment he proved change could be made, even if the specific changes he made were net negative to the country.

Are you saying we'd love Trump if he fucked up the country, but did it in normal, established ways?

[Bi_3]

Breaking the cycle of unalterable establishment control is one of the reasons Trump is so hated. He did so much dumb shit that was counter the establishment he proved change could be made, even if the specific changes he made were net negative to the country.

Are you saying we'd love Trump if he fucked up the country, but did it in normal, established ways?

Not at all.

I said Trump proved change was possible and that people shouldn't ignore that revelation just because they don't like the particular changes he made.

[BurtReynolds]

Whats the game here?

[epilogue]

"We're a big tent! We have pop stars and war criminals!"

Might be my favorite Burt post ever.

Well done.

[epilogue]

Burt just wants to be able to call black people lazy again.

like he ever stopped

Y’all ever considered discussing ideas instead of other people?

have you ever considered the idea of taking the stick out of your ass?

My body, my choice

[epilogue]

I'm sure 90% of the people who post regularly in this thread have zero interest in what Ezra Klein has to say, but the most recent episode of The Ezra Klein Podcast (a 45 minute editorial essay) really nails all of this (Trump and messenger/message, etc) really well. He knocks it out of the park. I can't recommend it enough.

[B]

I'm the most liberally liberal person I know, and even I can't listen to Ezra Klein for more than 10 minutes.