harmless wrote:I listen to all that stuff, plus Pearl Jam. I think the mistake some people are making is thinking that Pearl Jam fans are just listening to this shit, instead of the more clever, complex, interesting shit they are now listening to. Most existing PJ fans are listening to them, in the full knowledge that they're not as complex, idiosyncratic, edgy or interesting as they used to be. The fact that some feel the need to insult our intelligence makes me wonder whether they think we're blind to the fact that PJ have changed.
EDIT: It's not questioning your intelligence, it's just wondering why you like something I don't like. isn't that what the internet is for?
And to be honest, harmless, there are a pretty significant number of PJ fans who only listen to PJ and won't accept that their beloved band can do something they don't like.
Oh, and "Future Days".
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harmless wrote:I listen to all that stuff, plus Pearl Jam. I think the mistake some people are making is thinking that Pearl Jam fans are just listening to this shit, instead of the more clever, complex, interesting shit they are now listening to. Most existing PJ fans are listening to them, in the full knowledge that they're not as complex, idiosyncratic, edgy or interesting as they used to be. The fact that some feel the need to insult our intelligence makes me wonder whether they think we're blind to the fact that PJ have changed.
It's not questioning your intelligence, it's asking why you like something that we don't like. There's a difference. I've been defending my love of PJ for years now, or trying to explain to people who checked out after Vs. why the Vitalogy>No Code>Yield>Binaural run was so awesome. I'm about as forgiving as it comes to bands. I think a lot of people have an emotional attachment to their favorite band that affords them a desire to want to like something they might not otherwise like. That's fine. If people like this, I get that. Liking something is subjective, and you are more inclined to like something if you liked the band (or author, or filmmaker, etc) to begin with.
And to be honest, harmless, there are a pretty significant number of PJ fans who only listen to PJ and won't accept that their beloved band can do something they don't like.
Oh, and "Future Days".
But I doubt very much those people are posting here.
harmless wrote:I listen to all that stuff, plus Pearl Jam. I think the mistake some people are making is thinking that Pearl Jam fans are just listening to this shit, instead of the more clever, complex, interesting shit they are now listening to. Most existing PJ fans are listening to them, in the full knowledge that they're not as complex, idiosyncratic, edgy or interesting as they used to be. The fact that some feel the need to insult our intelligence makes me wonder whether they think we're blind to the fact that PJ have changed.
EDIT: It's not questioning your intelligence, it's just wondering why you like something I don't like. isn't that what the internet is for?
And to be honest, harmless, there are a pretty significant number of PJ fans who only listen to PJ and won't accept that their beloved band can do something they don't like.
There are ways to ask me (or anyone) why I / they like this album without being rude, demeaning and insulting. Some people haven't realised that. I'm happy to debate the merits of this album with someone who doubts them, but let's do it from a place of mutual respect. The fact that I'm on RM rather than the Pit should be some evidence that I'm not the kind of unthinking Pearl Jam fan that gladly laps up everything they piss onto the floor.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
bluestate wrote:"I really hate the new material and I can't understand why anyone would want to listen to it" that's a million times different than saying "You people can't seriously like this shit. There must be something wrong with you."
I never said that. If that's the impression you get from what I said, it says more about you than me. Again, I have the right to say that this album sucks and question the endless gushing over it, and defend MY position on the matter. If you don't like it, GET OVER IT. Stop acting like your intelligence has been personally insulted.
And you guys think I'm the one with too much time on my hands?
bluestate wrote:"I really hate the new material and I can't understand why anyone would want to listen to it" that's a million times different than saying "You people can't seriously like this shit. There must be something wrong with you."
I never said that. If that's the impression you get from what I said, it says more about you than me.
You lashed out at me for having something wrong with me as soon as I challenged what you'd said. You've done it again here.
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RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
bluestate wrote:"I really hate the new material and I can't understand why anyone would want to listen to it" that's a million times different than saying "You people can't seriously like this shit. There must be something wrong with you."
I never said that. If that's the impression you get from what I said, it says more about you than me. Again, I have the right to say that this album sucks and question the endless gushing over it, and defend MY position on the matter. If you don't like it, GET OVER IT. Stop acting like your intelligence has been personally insulted.
And you guys think I'm the one with too much time on my hands?
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote: It sounds to me like you people want DESPERATELY to like it and will go to any length to enjoy it.
I guess that depends on what the definition of is is
Pearl Jam, masturbation, whatever it is -- these things can only be as good as you'll let them.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
harmless wrote:There are ways to ask me (or anyone) why I / they like this album without being rude, demeaning and insulting. Some people haven't realised that. I'm happy to debate the merits of this album with someone who doubts them, but let's do it from a place of mutual respect. The fact that I'm on RM rather than the Pit should be some evidence that I'm not the kind of unthinking Pearl Jam fan that gladly laps up everything they piss onto the floor.
Again, what's with constant paranoia and accusations? Let me reiterate the fact that you have no sense of humor, and need to get down off your high horse. I can't comment on anything without you crying like a little girl that I am being "demeaning". Most folks tend to either laugh or ignore it, as with most comments, but you take everything I say personally. I'm actually starting to enjoy antagonizing you because you bring it upon yourself.
harmless wrote:There are ways to ask me (or anyone) why I / they like this album without being rude, demeaning and insulting. Some people haven't realised that. I'm happy to debate the merits of this album with someone who doubts them, but let's do it from a place of mutual respect. The fact that I'm on RM rather than the Pit should be some evidence that I'm not the kind of unthinking Pearl Jam fan that gladly laps up everything they piss onto the floor.
Again, what's with constant paranoia and accusations? Let me reiterate the fact that you have no sense of humor, and need to get down off your high horse. I can't comment on anything without you crying like a little girl that I am being "demeaning". Most folks tend to either laugh or ignore it, as with most comments, but you take everything I say personally. I'm actually starting to enjoy antagonizing you because you bring it upon yourself.
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
If you don't like it, GET OVER IT. Stop acting like your intelligence has been personally insulted.
And you guys think I'm the one with too much time on my hands?
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
You sound like a defensive, paranoid lunatic. Get over it.
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
Our "rivalry" is based on an endless pattern of me saying something, usually a joke, and then you complaining bitterly. Don't fuckin' talk to me anymore.
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
You're a pansy with no sense of humor. Get over yourself.
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
I don't give a fuck what you think. GET A LIFE.
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:Anyone who says that ANYTHING on this album is "best since Yield" or "best since Vitalogy" should have their heads examined immediately. The praise for this album is really getting over the top. I'm starting to think that you guys will accept any pile of feces that is flung at you.
