RANK THE ALBUMS

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Monkey_Driven wrote:Ten remains the most difficult album to rank. It is chock full of iconic songs, but it sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of their catalog.
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I think taking the rest of the catalog into account is not only difficult but kind of a mistake. Ten is singular. And that's okay. I consider Ten to be one of maybe... what like 5? perfect Rock albums. Maybe 15 perfect albums of any genre? I don't know, but it's a massive achievement.

Now that doesn't mean it has to be anyone's favorite. It isn't mine (I have it at #3). But it is, to my ears, undeniable. And, if I'm being totally honest, I think the fact that it's so goddamn good is what makes it hard for people to rank. Because if your tastes usually run counter to it, or if you also really like No Code or Binaural, you feel like there's some kind of cognitive dissonance. But it's that's sort of a weird mind trap. That isn't the case. Both can be true.

There's always a lot of talk about favorite v best and whether or not such a thing exists. And I get all that. Riot Act and Vitalogy speak to me in a way that Ten doesn't. But neither of those are perfect albums. So... *shrugs*
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I'm still reacting in a strong emotional way to Dark Matter so it's ranking quite high still. It could be their most consistent set of songs in years.

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Yield
Dark Matter
Binaural
Vs
Ten
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Vitalogy
Avocado
Gigaton
Vitalogy
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10
Vs
Vitalogy
Yield
ten

9
No Code
Dark Matter


8.5
Gigaton

8
Binaural
Riot Act
Backspacer
Avacado

7.5
Lightning Bolt
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epilogue wrote:I think taking the rest of the catalog into account is not only difficult but kind of a mistake. Ten is singular. And that's okay. I consider Ten to be one of maybe... what like 5? perfect Rock albums. Maybe 15 perfect albums of any genre? I don't know, but it's a massive achievement.

Now that doesn't mean it has to be anyone's favorite. It isn't mine (I have it at #3). But it is, to my ears, undeniable. And, if I'm being totally honest, I think the fact that it's so goddamn good is what makes it hard for people to rank. Because if you're tastes usually run counter to it, or if you also really like No Code or Binaural, you feel like there's some kind of cognitive dissonance. But it's not that's sort of a weird mind trap. That isn't the case. Both can be true.

There's always a lot of talk about favorite v best and whether or not such a thing exists. And I get all that. Riot Act and Vitalogy speak to me in a way that Ten doesn't. But neither of those are perfect albums. So... *shrugs*
I think this explains it quite well. Vs. is my favorite PJ record, however if you were to ask me to rank the greatest rock albums of all time, Ten would be on the list, I dont think Vs. would be. Part of me thinks if we were all being really truly honest, Ten should be at the top of everyones list.
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yeah, well said :)
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epilogue wrote:I think taking the rest of the catalog into account is not only difficult but kind of a mistake. Ten is singular. And that's okay. I consider Ten to be one of maybe... what like 5? perfect Rock albums. Maybe 15 perfect albums of any genre? I don't know, but it's a massive achievement.

Now that doesn't mean it has to be anyone's favorite. It isn't mine (I have it at #3). But it is, to my ears, undeniable. And, if I'm being totally honest, I think the fact that it's so goddamn good is what makes it hard for people to rank. Because if you're tastes usually run counter to it, or if you also really like No Code or Binaural, you feel like there's some kind of cognitive dissonance. But it's not that's sort of a weird mind trap. That isn't the case. Both can be true.

There's always a lot of talk about favorite v best and whether or not such a thing exists. And I get all that. Riot Act and Vitalogy speak to me in a way that Ten doesn't. But neither of those are perfect albums. So... *shrugs*
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I don't think PJ has a top 30 album maybe top 50 maybe 2 in the top hundred

Led Zeppelin iv
Dark Side
Back in Black
Are you experienced
Who's next
The River
London Calling
Rumors
High 61
From the big pink
The Wall
Boston
Nevermind
Revolver
Exile on Mainsteet
Joshua Tree
Yellow Brick Road
Pet Sounds
Metallica


I stuck to rock here and this took 20sec . The Police and Cars and Van Halen . debut might be better that 10 I think I could come up with at least 30 more
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Don't get me wrong . I prefer Ten to alot of those but those are some of the most important records of all time. Sadly 10 is probably top 10 maybe top 5 album of the last 40 years, but the 70s were stacked.
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The Cars debut is probably the closest thing to 10.
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epilogue wrote:I think taking the rest of the catalog into account is not only difficult but kind of a mistake. Ten is singular. And that's okay. I consider Ten to be one of maybe... what like 5? perfect Rock albums. Maybe 15 perfect albums of any genre? I don't know, but it's a massive achievement.

Now that doesn't mean it has to be anyone's favorite. It isn't mine (I have it at #3). But it is, to my ears, undeniable. And, if I'm being totally honest, I think the fact that it's so goddamn good is what makes it hard for people to rank. Because if you're tastes usually run counter to it, or if you also really like No Code or Binaural, you feel like there's some kind of cognitive dissonance. But it's not that's sort of a weird mind trap. That isn't the case. Both can be true.

There's always a lot of talk about favorite v best and whether or not such a thing exists. And I get all that. Riot Act and Vitalogy speak to me in a way that Ten doesn't. But neither of those are perfect albums. So... *shrugs*
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It does half make sense.
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Out of the grunge scene in the early nineties, “Ten” is the least grungiest of the albums. It’s almost like a refreshed type of classic rock.
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Got Some wrote:10
Vs
Vitalogy
Yield
ten

9
No Code
Dark Matter


8.5
Gigaton

8
Binaural
Riot Act
Backspacer
Avacado

7.5
Lightning Bolt
Taking my song averages on the 1-5 scale, and translating them to your scale with appropriate rounding, I get the following current ranking which is sure to get me banned:

10
Ten

9.5
Dark Matter
Gigaton

9
Yield
Vs

8.5
No Code

8
Binaural
Avocado
Riot Act
Lightning Bolt

7.5
Backspacer
Vitalogy

I will freely admit that Lightning Bolt feels too high and Vitalogy feels too low, but there are songs on Vitalogy I just don't connect with, combined with a lot of filler, and while Lightning Bolt never really grabs me (save for Pendulum), it is at least pretty consistent. Like many here, I am curious where Gigaton and Dark Matter will rank for me years in the future. I feel like Gigaton may fall a few spaces, but it is too soon to say with DM.
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Out of 10....? Sure, why not:

10/10
Riot Act
Vitalogy
Ten

9/10
No Code
Vs
Binaural
Yield

8/10
Gigaton
Dark Matter
S/T

7/10
Lightning Bolt
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vitalogy
vs
ten
dark matter
yield
no code
binaural
pearl jam
gigaton
riot act
backspacer
lightning bolt

dark matter is bound to drop below yield over time, but damn if these guys didn't pull off a miracle 35 years in
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Binaural at the top and Lightning Bolt at the bottom. Other than that, I don't really know these days.
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Ten 5/5
Vs. 5/5
Vitalogy 5/5
No Code 5/5
Yield 5/5
Binaural 5/5
Riot Act 5/5
Pearl Jam 5/5
Gigaton 4/5
Dark Matter 3.5/5
Backspacer 3.5/5
Lightning Bolt 2.5/5
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i asked ai to calculate the definitive overall fan ranking based on fan forums and this is what it spit out:
Taking the temperature of the Pearl Jam community requires looking at two very different worlds. You have the broader public/Reddit sentiment (r/pearljam), and then you have the die-hard, deep-cut purists over at the legendary TheSkyIScrape / Red Mosquito forums.

When you mash these two fanbases together, the ranking math changes drastically compared to mainstream music critics. Casual listeners usually tap out after 1998, but the hardcore fans fiercely champion the experimental mid-career records.

Here is the definitive average ranking of Pearl Jam’s studio albums based on the community consensus, taking specific note of how the Red Mosquito faithful skew the results.

1. Ten (1991)
The Consensus: The monumental masterpiece.
Why it ranks here: Even though Red Mosquito forum users will occasionally vote it down out of sheer "overplay fatigue," it is mathematically impossible to dethrone Ten. It is ground zero. From Alive and Black to Release, every single track is hardcoded into the DNA of the fanbase. Even if die-hards prefer to listen to live bootlegs of these songs rather than the studio cut, it remains the crown jewel.

2. Vs. (1993)
The Consensus: The raw, aggressive powerhouse.
Why it ranks here: Vs. is universally beloved across all factions for its fierce, cornered-animal energy. It proved Pearl Jam wasn't a one-hit-wonder and could deliver stadium-sized rock (Animal, Rearviewmirror) alongside beautiful acoustic vulnerability (Indifference, Daughter). It gets almost zero pushback on ranking threads.

3. Yield (1998)
The Consensus: The perfect bridge.
Why it ranks here: If you want to find an album that Reddit and TheSkyIScrape agree on completely, it’s Yield. It represents the band finally breathing, democracy taking over the songwriting, and the addition of drummer Matt Cameron just around the corner. Given to Fly, Faithfull, and In Hiding make this a top-three staple for fans.

4. No Code (1996)
The Consensus: The Red Mosquito darling.
Why it ranks here: This is where the Red Mosquito forum completely shifts the metrics. While mainstream critics and casual fans initially dismissed No Code as too weird or disjointed, the die-hard forum culture treats it as a holy text. It houses Present Tense, In My Tree, and of course, the hypnotic groove of Red Mosquito itself. Its ranking gets dragged down slightly by broader Reddit lists, but the hardcore base ensures it sits firmly in the upper tier.

5. Vitalogy (1994)
The Consensus: The brilliant, chaotic breakdown.
Why it ranks here: Vitalogy is a fascinating beast on the forums. It contains some of the greatest songs Eddie Vedder ever wrote (Corduroy, Not for You, Immortality). However, the average score is always pulled down because fans rarely want to sit through the bizarre experimental filler tracks like Bugs or Hey Foxymophandle... during a casual front-to-back listen.

6. Dark Matter (2024)
The Consensus: The triumphant late-career resurgence.
Why it ranks here: Producer Andrew Watt essentially acted as a fan proxy, forcing the band to play hard, fast, and collaborative again. On both Reddit and the forums, this record received an immediate, massive wave of love, with fans ranking tracks like Wreckage and Setting Sun alongside their classic 90s output.

7. Pearl Jam [The Avocado Album] (2006)
The Consensus: The back-to-basics rocker.
Why it ranks here: Seen as a return to a more aggressive, politically charged sound after the experimental early-2000s era. Life Wasted and Inside Job are massive fan favorites, though some forum purists complain that the compressed, radio-friendly production leaves it feeling a bit flat compared to the warmth of their older stuff.

8. Binaural (2000) & Riot Act (2002) [Tie]
The Consensus: The atmospheric, overlooked era.
Why it ranks here: These two are heavily linked in fan discussions. Casual fans completely ignore them, but TheSkyIScrape users will fight to the death defending them. Binaural gets points for its unique binaural audio experiment and tracks like Sleight of Hand, while the somber, post-9/11 grief of Riot Act (I Am Mine, You Are) makes it a deeply respected, if heavy, listen.

10. Gigaton (2020)
The Consensus: The clunky experimental detour.
Why it ranks here: There was initial excitement for the talking-heads-esque funk of Dance of the Clairvoyants, but the excitement faded quickly. The consensus on the forums is that it feels disjointed and heavily over-produced, landing it toward the bottom of most modern lists.

11. Backspacer (2009)
The Consensus: The pop-punk anomaly.
Why it ranks here: This album causes massive arguments. It features some of their biggest modern commercial hits like Just Breathe, meaning it performs incredibly well on Spotify and casual Reddit polls. However, on TheSkyIScrape, it is routinely thrashed for being too bright, too pop-oriented, and lacking the signature Pearl Jam grit.

12. Lightning Bolt (2013)
The Consensus: The forgettable plateau.
Why it ranks here: While tracks like Mind Your Manners and Sirens have their defenders, Lightning Bolt almost universally anchors the bottom of Pearl Jam studio album rankings. The general forum view is that it represents the band at their most musically conservative, feeling more like a collection of safe, mid-tempo dad-rock songs than a cohesive artistic statement
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That’s not a bad list and the descriptions mostly make sense but… is there really a consensus that Gigaton was heavily over-produced?
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