Feminism

[malice]

so I'm reading this article and I'm like - what the heck is this guy saying? what? this isn't making any sense to me...

then I got to about here:
“I think a lot of women smash through the ‘glass ceiling’ and get to where [men] are and they go, ‘wait a minute, I thought you guys had brandy and went to strip clubs, you’re going over expense reports?’ And they see their friends from their small town with 3 kids going to soccer practice and they think, ‘That looks kind of cool, actually.’

“It made me religious. I was an atheist most of my life and now I am a God-fearing Catholic, because of the miracle of life. And I’m pro-life,” he said, noting that he used to be pro-choice and became pro-life with the birth of his first child.
amongst my peers abortion is cool,” he continued. ”It’s like, empowering, and they make jokes about it. Some of my best friends go, ‘I accept that it’s murder and I am pro-choice.’ That’s the world I live in.”

and suddenly it was : oh, ok, I get it now, all makes sense, except the bit about abortion being cool among his friends, I mean, what? like do they sit around planning their abortions together so they can make a trip of it or what?


“I think once women experience it, they change their minds pretty quick — and that is my personal experience, you know, I cannot speak for everyone. But I am probably getting myself in more shit,” McInnes said.

gee, ya think?

“I think men are becoming beta males because feminists have told them to, but you’ll notice feminists don’t fuck those guys,” he said. “I think they are doing this and being submissive…because they are trying to get laid.

where’s thodoks?

“America is unique: it was built by entrepreneurs with grit, and when— what seems just like a bunch of pussies being beta-males and women are railing against people like me simply for defending traditional families, isn’t a small deal,” he said. “I think it’s a real latent anti-Americanism that, like a virus, starts small and can really hurt us,” he explained, adding that entrepreneurs should be seen as heroes.

that’s it, I’m marrying this guy, screw his wife

we revere drug dealers like Jay Z

is Jay-Z a drug dealer? I thought he was a multi millionaire. huh.

We are sitting there shitting on macho men while using their microphone that they invented and the infrastructure they created.

so I love ani difranco, which, you know, of course, but whatever. so, yeah:

'cause some guy designed
these shoes i use to walk around
some big man's business turns a profit
every time i lay my money down
some guy designed the room i'm standing in
another built it with his own tools
who says i like right angles?
these are not my laws
there are not my rules


thanks for that article, it was a blast to read

[Sarah.]

I love Mary malice. Just in case anyone was wondering.

[@SkitchP]

So is this the queers fault? That article is very unclear.

[Green Habit]

We’ve trivialized childbirth and being domestic so much that women are forced to pretend to be men. They’re feigning this toughness. They’re miserable.

I only skimmed through the rest of his diatribe, but this first quote was telling to me. I've always felt that equality of the sexes (I hesitate to use the word feminism for reasons we've already discussed) is a two way street. It necessitates not only females taking on more male-stereotyped tasks, but also for males to take on more female-stereotyped tasks. Yet while the former has been largely celebrated, the latter certainly hasn't.

[harmless]

Jay Z is a billionaire, but he's black, so will also always be a drug dealer.

[harmless]

Why would anyone be afraid to use the word "feminism"? Support of the feminine. Why would someone go out of their way to avoid that connotation in their language?

[stip]

That word's been pretty tarnished in the United States. It conjures up images of extreme man hating women in a way that, say, the Westboro Baptist Church does not conjure up images of Christianity.

[harmless]

Maybe I'm just not old enough to attach the word to that bra-burning stereotype it once had. But I love a lot of the third-wave feminism-inspired writing, art, music etc. around now. I'm also grateful to feminism for getting me into the idea of intersectionality. I realise I've always been doing that, even though I didn't have a word for it.

[stip]

Given your politics you're obviously going to be okay with that word. This isn't an age thing here. It's a marketing/propaganda thing. In a class of 20 students maybe two will identify as feminists, plus me. Feminists are shrill, angry, ugly, man hating women. Who wants to be identified with that?

[harmless]

Except that they're not. I wish people would remember that ALL movements have gone in waves, phases, and all movements have progressed from something groundbreaking at the time (but primitive to us) to something much more nuanced, interesting and equal in present times. And all civil rights movements will continue to progress and evolve. I don't think that's exclusive to feminism. I think any kind of identity politics has a similarly bad reputation. It's just a shame that we can't escape that, because it's fairly simple-minded. I don't even think "misandry" is a valid problem or concern, any more than "reverse racism" is. But we probably agree on all this stuff anyway.

And yeah, I didn't mean to equate anything with age specifically; I know the stereotype stuff runs rife. I knew you'd pick that up.

[Soma.]

Given your politics you're obviously going to be okay with that word. This isn't an age thing here. It's a marketing/propaganda thing. In a class of 20 students maybe two will identify as feminists, plus me. Feminists are shrill, angry, ugly, man hating women. Who wants to be identified with that?

Not when you could be a forward-thinking individual who identifies his or herself as an advocate of gender equality instead of fueling the war of X vs. Y. The misandry in this thread would be fucking hilarious if it weren't so depressing.

[stip]

Yup, it sure is hard to be a man. It's hard, the way men are constantly being defined by all the cultural institutions women control, existing in an economic environment run by women alleviating second shift and child rearing pressures, and being subject to the laws made by our femocracy. The misandry depresses me too.


Why can't we just all be equal in this world that is so clearly not full of structural advantages that privilege one gender over another



I hear racism is no longer a problem, either. That's why I support being race neutral and upholding our perfectly just status quo!



(as an aside, I think class is a far more significant economic and political category than gender. Not sure about social.)

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Given your politics you're obviously going to be okay with that word. This isn't an age thing here. It's a marketing/propaganda thing. In a class of 20 students maybe two will identify as feminists, plus me. Feminists are shrill, angry, ugly, man hating women. Who wants to be identified with that?

Not when you could be a forward-thinking individual who identifies his or herself as an advocate of gender equality instead of fueling the war of X vs. Y. The misandry in this thread would be fucking hilarious if it weren't so depressing.

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for penance, the Soma. account shall have to spend the remainder of the weekend consuming all gender-related slights detailed on http://www.microaggressions.com/

[Jorge]

I refuse to believe Soma was serious. That reads like classic Men's Rights Advocate trolling.

[malice]

I refuse to believe Soma was serious.

[stip]

Soma, if that's true I apologize. Some people believe some crazy shit in this place.

[BurtReynolds]

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[stip]

oh what a world it could be

[harmless]

penina

vagenis

What words!