Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

E.H. Ruddock · Post by **E.H. Ruddock** » Thu January 30, 2025 8:23 pm

spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.

How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

Peeps · Post by **Peeps** » Thu January 30, 2025 8:34 pm

E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all

Simple Torture · Post by **Simple Torture** » Thu January 30, 2025 8:53 pm

E.H. Ruddock wrote:How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this?

A tailspin?

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Thu January 30, 2025 8:57 pm

Peeps wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all

Correct, because who cares? He spouts all kinds of dumb shit in press conferences.

spike · Post by **spike** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:02 pm

Ah the who cares, nothing to see here spin.

Trumpers certainly cared when Sleepy Joe would ramble on.

Peeps · Post by **Peeps** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:08 pm

BurtReynolds wrote:
Peeps wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all
Correct, because who cares? He spouts all kinds of dumb shit in press conferences.

i cant figure out if youre just a troll, naive or just stupid

tommy · Post by **tommy** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:17 pm

spike wrote:Ah the who cares, nothing to see here spin.

Trumpers certainly cared when Sleepy Joe would ramble on.

Right, but aren't they a bunch of racist idiots? Why would you want to behave like them?

VinylGuy · Post by **VinylGuy** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:21 pm

Seems the control traffic was a mess because of shortage of employees.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/29 ... hington-dc

E.H. Ruddock · Post by **E.H. Ruddock** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:34 pm

BurtReynolds wrote:
Peeps wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all
Correct, because who cares? He spouts all kinds of dumb shit in press conferences.

"he can say racist shit as president because he doesn't really mean it"

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:35 pm

spike wrote:Ah the who cares, nothing to see here spin.

Trumpers certainly cared when Sleepy Joe would ramble on.

One is a bullshitter. The other is nearly braindead. That is a major difference.

What's the saying? “the press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.”

You do not understand vibes.

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:36 pm

E.H. Ruddock wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
Peeps wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all
Correct, because who cares? He spouts all kinds of dumb shit in press conferences.
"he can say racist shit as president because he doesn't really mean it"

What's racist about being against DEI? It's literally racist itself! You're the baddies!

E.H. Ruddock · Post by **E.H. Ruddock** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:38 pm

BurtReynolds wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
Peeps wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all
Correct, because who cares? He spouts all kinds of dumb shit in press conferences.
"he can say racist shit as president because he doesn't really mean it"
What's racist about being against DEI? It's literally racist itself! You're the baddies!

Why would he blame a plane crash on it? What would be the logic behind that? Do we even know the race/gender of the ATC operators at the time of the crash? I think you can figure it out from here.

tommy · Post by **tommy** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:38 pm

BurtReynolds wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
Peeps wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all
Correct, because who cares? He spouts all kinds of dumb shit in press conferences.
"he can say racist shit as president because he doesn't really mean it"
What's racist about being against DEI? It's literally racist itself! You're the baddies!

The racism/sexism is assuming that any woman or minority in a high up position is only there because of dei.

Bi_3 · Post by **Bi_3** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:45 pm

Peeps wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all

Trump is referring to BRIGIDA v. UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

The lawsuit formerly known as Brigida v. Buttigieg revolves around candidates for air traffic controller positions who were dismissed after they failed a new biographical questionnaire introduced by the FAA in 2014. This questionnaire had an exceptionally high fail rate and was implemented without prior warning to the candidates, many of whom had already passed the skill assessment test. The National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees (NBCFAE) played a significant role in pushing for diversity within FAA hiring practices, which led to the introduction of this controversial questionnaire aimed at increasing minority representation. Before 2014, candidates were screened using the AT-SAT test, a comprehensive eight-hour cognitive examination designed to assess the aptitudes necessary for air traffic control. However, this test was replaced in the hiring process with the biographical assessment specifically designed to increase minority representation in hiring cadres. Shelton Snow, an FAA employee and then-president of the NBCFAE's Washington Suburban chapter, provided NBCFAE members with guidance and some cases answers for the assessment to ensure hiring resulted in his group's desired demographic shift. Though the assessment was rolled back, the result was the near collapse of controller training schools leading a decade long decline in both candidate quantity and quality.

The whole thing reads like right wing fever dream, but is completely true. A thorough and fully cited breakdown is here: https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/the ... k-overview

Screenshots from the questionnaire are here (yes, these are the actual questions they had to answer to become controllers): https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/17 ... 4768571629

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:48 pm

tommy wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
Peeps wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all
Correct, because who cares? He spouts all kinds of dumb shit in press conferences.
"he can say racist shit as president because he doesn't really mean it"
What's racist about being against DEI? It's literally racist itself! You're the baddies!
The racism/sexism is assuming that any woman or minority in a high up position is only there because of dei.

It's even more racist/sexist to add race or sex weighting to the hiring process. And the real effect of DEI is that at least some are quite definitely only there because of their race or skin color, making it harder for those who genuinely should be there to have credibility. That's literally what DEI is for. And it inevitably leads to poorer performance. It's a near mathematical impossibility for it not to.

Of course, it can be nearly impossible to look at one particular event and declare it was because of some supremely fucked hiring practices, and especially here when the bodies aren't even cold. Trump is of course talking out of his ass here, as he does. But again, it is INEVITABLE that vile DEI practices will lead to worse outcomes and increased accidents than a purely merit based hiring.

tommy · Post by **tommy** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:52 pm

BurtReynolds wrote:
tommy wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
Peeps wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all
Correct, because who cares? He spouts all kinds of dumb shit in press conferences.
"he can say racist shit as president because he doesn't really mean it"
What's racist about being against DEI? It's literally racist itself! You're the baddies!
The racism/sexism is assuming that any woman or minority in a high up position is only there because of dei.
It's even more racist/sexist to add race or sex weighting to the hiring process. And the real effect of DEI is that at least some are quite definitely only there because of their race or skin color, making it harder for those who genuinely should be there to have credibility. That's literally what DEI is for. And it inevitably leads to poorer performance. It's a near mathematical impossibility for it not to.

Of course, it can be nearly impossible to look at one particular event and declare it was because of some supremely fucked hiring practices, and especially here when the bodies aren't even cold. Trump is of course talking out of his ass here, as he does. But again, it is INEVITABLE that vile DEI practices will lead to worse outcomes and increased accidents than a purely merit based hiring.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't know how you untangle people who have their jobs on merit from people who don't. I also don't necessarily agree that before DEI things were a perfect meritocracy. It's always been who you know that really matters.

E.H. Ruddock · Post by **E.H. Ruddock** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:54 pm

Bi_3 wrote:
Peeps wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all

Trump is referring to BRIGIDA v. UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

The lawsuit formerly known as Brigida v. Buttigieg revolves around candidates for air traffic controller positions who were dismissed after they failed a new biographical questionnaire introduced by the FAA in 2014. This questionnaire had an exceptionally high fail rate and was implemented without prior warning to the candidates, many of whom had already passed the skill assessment test. The National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees (NBCFAE) played a significant role in pushing for diversity within FAA hiring practices, which led to the introduction of this controversial questionnaire aimed at increasing minority representation. Before 2014, candidates were screened using the AT-SAT test, a comprehensive eight-hour cognitive examination designed to assess the aptitudes necessary for air traffic control. However, this test was replaced in the hiring process with the biographical assessment specifically designed to increase minority representation in hiring cadres. Shelton Snow, an FAA employee and then-president of the NBCFAE's Washington Suburban chapter, provided NBCFAE members with guidance and some cases answers for the assessment to ensure hiring resulted in his group's desired demographic shift. Though the assessment was rolled back, the result was the near collapse of controller training schools leading a decade long decline in both candidate quantity and quality.

The whole thing reads like right wing fever dream, but is completely true. A thorough and fully cited breakdown is here: https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/the ... k-overview

Screenshots from the questionnaire are here (yes, these are the actual questions they had to answer to become controllers): https://x.com/tracewoodgrains/status/17 ... 4768571629

And what is the history of the ATC that was on duty last night? Is Trump saying that specific controller was not capable because of what you laid out?

E.H. Ruddock · Post by **E.H. Ruddock** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:55 pm

Also, it is laughable if you think a merit based system will work just fine. It will just be good ol' boys helping each other out.

BurtReynolds · Post by **BurtReynolds** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:56 pm

tommy wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
tommy wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
Peeps wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
spike wrote:He’s blaming diversity for the Potomac crash. Essentially stated the highest genius is white. New lows for this garbage human.
How will the pro-Trumpers here spin this? He literally blamed DEI for a fucking plane crash.

they wont spin it at all
Correct, because who cares? He spouts all kinds of dumb shit in press conferences.
"he can say racist shit as president because he doesn't really mean it"
What's racist about being against DEI? It's literally racist itself! You're the baddies!
The racism/sexism is assuming that any woman or minority in a high up position is only there because of dei.
It's even more racist/sexist to add race or sex weighting to the hiring process. And the real effect of DEI is that at least some are quite definitely only there because of their race or skin color, making it harder for those who genuinely should be there to have credibility. That's literally what DEI is for. And it inevitably leads to poorer performance. It's a near mathematical impossibility for it not to.

Of course, it can be nearly impossible to look at one particular event and declare it was because of some supremely fucked hiring practices, and especially here when the bodies aren't even cold. Trump is of course talking out of his ass here, as he does. But again, it is INEVITABLE that vile DEI practices will lead to worse outcomes and increased accidents than a purely merit based hiring.
I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't know how you untangle people who have their jobs on merit from people who don't. I also don't necessarily agree that before DEI things were a perfect meritocracy. It's always been who you know that really matters.

We've never had a perfect meritocracy and never will, but it's still good to strive for it, and DEI is a hurdle to that, and doesn't solve any other problems we have either.

tommy · Post by **tommy** » Thu January 30, 2025 9:56 pm

Have we considered that the ATC may have just lost his daughter to a drug overdose/murder?

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