ITT: We hate on Progressives

[tommy]

I thought he WAS a radical leftist

[spike]

I thought he WAS a radical leftist

He’s wAkInG uP, tommy

[tommy]

I guess all great grifts have to evolve with time

[Bi_3]

People are slamming Frum in the replies, but they should be praising him for being willing to expose the truth even if it’s years later.

[tommy]

People are slamming Frum in the replies, but they should be praising him for being willing to expose the truth even if it’s years later.

Seems like most of the replies agree with him?

[Bi_3]

People are slamming Frum in the replies, but they should be praising him for being willing to expose the truth even if it’s years later.

Seems like most of the replies agree with him?

I meant on the late timing, he is obviously right on substance.

[BurtReynolds]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 025-01-10/

American Airlines' focus on ESG in 401(k) plan is illegal, US judge rules

[BurtReynolds]

End of an era. What happened bros?

[E.H. Ruddock]

I love how proud you are to be able to post all of these “gotcha” posts regarding anything to do with race.

[BurtReynolds]

I love how proud you are to be able to post all of these “gotcha” posts regarding anything to do with race.

Thanks. I am passionate about rooting out these race grifters and their destructive and racist ideology and reinstituting the value of treating people as individuals.

[spike]

eye on the prize

[Higgs]

I love how proud you are to be able to post all of these “gotcha” posts regarding anything to do with race.

Thanks. I am passionate about rooting out these race grifters and their destructive and racist ideology and reinstituting the value of treating people as individuals.

I don't know much about your history as an individual burt, but I know you're a white fellow who is smart enough that I assume you were raised in a middle class family and had access to the associated opportunities that provides (from an academic perspective). How do you feel about policies that improve the likelihood of the less fortunate minorities who may not otherwise have the easy access that you did to access further schooling and academic opportunities?

Or is it a blanket case in your mind of if you don't earn it as a 12 year old then bad luck? The world needs ditch diggers too and that's gonna be your lot.

[BurtReynolds]

I regret to inform you that though I am white, I was not born into the middle class, which is the root of the entire problem of woke racism, and the problem of racism in general. We can't assign class by glancing at skin color. Of course, that's not to say I was disadvantaged - I had good parents, and good luck otherwise. I've had plenty of opportunities. Others have had far less than me. That is, in fact, life.

"How do you feel about policies that improve the likelihood of the less fortunate minorities who may not otherwise have the easy access that you did to access further schooling and academic opportunities?"

I'll try not to get too general with this, but it's difficult considering how fundamental the problem is.

What policies exactly? Policies espoused by con artists like Kendi? Certainly not in favor of that. Not only do they not work, but they actually exacerbate the problem but normalizing the very behaviors it claims to fight. Those policies are negative and based on zero sum thinking, rigidly enforced equity, and outright resentment. It's a warped idea of fairness that I have no interest in supporting.

What are the costs associated with instituting these policies? What new government apparatuses and agencies will we have to create to enforce these policies? How many people, who up to this point have been law abiding, will now be criminalized for resisting or ignoring the new powers you've given the state to enforce your utopian vision on the world? How much should be redistributed in order to make up for some vague and somewhat arbitrary "historical oppression?" Put a number on it, because the only answer for reparations we are ever given is "more". Must we use such a crude and imprecise category of race to determine who gets what? How far back in time should we go to unwind the complex web of historical oppression? Why must we stop at a certain point or event, and privilege it above all others? Who determines this point? What authority should I submit to to determine this for me? You? These race grifter frauds? I don't think so.


I'm a little too libertarian to be a huge fan of government welfare programs, but I can live with them in general so long as they aren't determined by race or gender. It should be solely based on class if anything. The left used to understand this, but then it got infected by identity politics that have undermined its whole program. Made all the worse by the fact that most on the left hasn't even noticed.

But on your last point: yes, we do in fact live in an unfair universe, and recognizing that fact and rejecting utopian visions of rigidly enforced material equity is good and cool. I will (somewhat reluctantly) grant that the state should provide basic needs for everyone in the society, but no, it shouldn't (and couldn't) provide absolute equity for everyone.

Are you middle class? If you are, that suggests that there is a higher class born with more advantages than you. Do you think you should have the same amount of advantages as them? Or worse, do you think opportunities should be taken away from those with more than you, so that you are equal? Do you have kids? Assuming they are white, do you believe that they should be subject to racial discrimination in hiring practices in order to make up for historical injustices that supposedly advantage them? I do think most white liberals would emphatically answer yes to that last question, which illustrates a fundamental difference between them and the rest of the human race. It's a false sort of selflessness and humility born out of actual privilege and a mistaken belief that they are high enough in the hierarchy that the consequences of their "benevolent" actions won't ever actually effect them.

[Bammer]

Guys what are we gonna do when AI takes over like 70% of human jobs?

Universal basic income? Widespread poverty? How will the progressives maintain equity?

[Higgs]

Thanks for the detailed answer to what was an honest inquiry on my part. I was actually just trying to get a feel for how fully you supported the idea of "merit based advancement" and if that was an absolute for you or if there were some shades of grey so to speak. My comment regarding being "white and middle class" was only because I know you are white and I assumed middle class because of your intelligence and (I assume) level of schooling- it was probably a little lazy of me, but there you go. You don't have to regret anything.

I was asking because of my own experience in remote Australia and the indigenous kids I have had experience with, a few of whom ended up in private schools in Perth (our capital) on scholarships, essentially to fill quotas. These kids were given free rides to the same schools that I sent my own son to, but for me it cost $140,000 for the privilege (that's literally the figure we were told we had paid in total the day we made our last ever payment to the school - still blows my mind).

These are kids that I have known for a long time, they are my sons good mates and I coached them all in junior hoops back in the day. The thing is, I don't begrudge them their free rides as I see how the opportunities they received as younger kids (generally) positively affected their lives. Most of them (though not all) are now doing things and starting careers that I don't believe they otherwise would have considered if not for the opportunities they were given. And these careers are now certainly starting on merit, not further scholarships or assistance.

Fwiw I also am aware of an enormous black hole of "black funding" that is evident in Australia as well and that sort of wasted money makes me sick. There are many who gladly accept government dollars in the name of "social equity and advancement" that are nothing more than grifters. That's not an issue unique to anywhere I guess.

So yeah, my own lived experience is that I don't particularly have an issue with disadvantaged kids getting a leg up at times, but I say that as someone who's own children didn't then miss out as a result, so make of that what you will.

I certainly don't have a utopian vision of the world, and to be honest I wasn't pointing to any particular policies (I don't know what particular policies the US has in this area, I just assumed there would be some programs that matched underprivileged kids who showed some academic potential with opportunities at more prestigious schools and institutions was all). I absolutely don't think "absolute equity for everyone" is either realistic or reasonable either.

In Australia race, specifically indigenous Australians, is so central to our social inequity issues that I can't separate it out. We absolutely have social welfare programs specifically for that one racial group, and I guess my point is that I don't have an issue with that but also want to see those programs closely monitored as historically there have been improprieties (to no one's surprise).

So perhaps the issue is with my own perspective - I can't separate out social programs from race, and I guess that's why when I hear people speak on removing all such programs all I can see for the future is that all opportunities end up with those who are the right colour and are born to families with all the best social and economic advantages.

Again, thanks for the answer. I appreciate that you aren't as rigid on the issues as you sometimes come across. Carry on.

[Higgs]

Guys what are we gonna do when AI takes over like 70% of human jobs?

Universal basic income? Widespread poverty? How will the progressives maintain equity?

I love the idea of a UBI. I've thought ofetn about how it could best work on a macro-economic scale. The issue I keep coming back to is that if any country was to truly implement it that they would likely see immigration levels like never before.

[bart]

I love how proud you are to be able to post all of these “gotcha” posts regarding anything to do with race.

That guy and his "center" have been under investigation for all kinds of stuff for years now though. Also it's interesting how if you change a couple words of this piece he wrote in college, it could very easily be a post on stormfront or something:

"Nevertheless, other than not wanting hate to be the weed that stunts my intellectual growth, I don’t hate white folk because I’m a Christian. How can you hate a group of people for being who they are? Similarly, how can you hate a turtle because it won’t keep up? That would be like parents hating their children because they are different. All of our children aren’t the same. Europeans are completely different from Asians who are completely different from Hispanics and so on and so forth

Europeans are simply a different breed of human. They are socialized to be aggressive people. They are taught to live by the credo, “survival of the fittest.” They are raised to be racist."

[BurtReynolds]

Sad part is Howard University just gave him more money to start his con all over again, even though it was his own benefactors and team that ran him out of Boston University.

[spike]

I regret to inform you that though I am white, I was not born into the middle class, which is the root of the entire problem of woke racism, and the problem of racism in general. We can't assign class by glancing at skin color. Of course, that's not to say I was disadvantaged - I had good parents, and good luck otherwise. I've had plenty of opportunities. Others have had far less than me. That is, in fact, life.

"How do you feel about policies that improve the likelihood of the less fortunate minorities who may not otherwise have the easy access that you did to access further schooling and academic opportunities?"

I'll try not to get too general with this, but it's difficult considering how fundamental the problem is.

What policies exactly? Policies espoused by con artists like Kendi? Certainly not in favor of that. Not only do they not work, but they actually exacerbate the problem but normalizing the very behaviors it claims to fight. Those policies are negative and based on zero sum thinking, rigidly enforced equity, and outright resentment. It's a warped idea of fairness that I have no interest in supporting.

What are the costs associated with instituting these policies? What new government apparatuses and agencies will we have to create to enforce these policies? How many people, who up to this point have been law abiding, will now be criminalized for resisting or ignoring the new powers you've given the state to enforce your utopian vision on the world? How much should be redistributed in order to make up for some vague and somewhat arbitrary "historical oppression?" Put a number on it, because the only answer for reparations we are ever given is "more". Must we use such a crude and imprecise category of race to determine who gets what? How far back in time should we go to unwind the complex web of historical oppression? Why must we stop at a certain point or event, and privilege it above all others? Who determines this point? What authority should I submit to to determine this for me? You? These race grifter frauds? I don't think so.


I'm a little too libertarian to be a huge fan of government welfare programs, but I can live with them in general so long as they aren't determined by race or gender. It should be solely based on class if anything. The left used to understand this, but then it got infected by identity politics that have undermined its whole program. Made all the worse by the fact that most on the left hasn't even noticed.

But on your last point: yes, we do in fact live in an unfair universe, and recognizing that fact and rejecting utopian visions of rigidly enforced material equity is good and cool. I will (somewhat reluctantly) grant that the state should provide basic needs for everyone in the society, but no, it shouldn't (and couldn't) provide absolute equity for everyone.

Are you middle class? If you are, that suggests that there is a higher class born with more advantages than you. Do you think you should have the same amount of advantages as them? Or worse, do you think opportunities should be taken away from those with more than you, so that you are equal? Do you have kids? Assuming they are white, do you believe that they should be subject to racial discrimination in hiring practices in order to make up for historical injustices that supposedly advantage them? I do think most white liberals would emphatically answer yes to that last question, which illustrates a fundamental difference between them and the rest of the human race. It's a false sort of selflessness and humility born out of actual privilege and a mistaken belief that they are high enough in the hierarchy that the consequences of their "benevolent" actions won't ever actually effect them.

Poor white kid has somehow had more opportunities than poor black kid is just life.

[BurtReynolds]

What black kid?