Anders wrote:I expect Israel to annex the Jordan valley, and for the USA to agree to it. Israel will never give up the outer borders of the Israel/Palestine area, which they already control.
Gaza has been run terribly by the Palestinians/Hamas, and a Gaza+West Bank (Judea and Samaria) as a country together would always be very difficult to get to work properly. But never did I imagine that Gaza would turn into a US area with casinos and hotels.
The only realistic solution for me is a one state solution, with no apartheid. I wish the world would work harder on that. Then Gaza could be a place all Israelis could live in peace, and the world could help build it. There are solutions to make it work. For regular people of that country, regardless of religion, to have a good life there.
However, with Trump everything goes back to profit, personal profit and US profit.
The map Netenyahu was waving around at the UN a few months ago and his plan for expanded Israel. They want to take over the whole region. As if the surrounding Arab nations will sit quietly and do nothing about that.
It’s being suggested this is one of trumps ‘flood the zone with endless shit’ tactics and nothing will come of it. It he’s being roundly condemned everywhere that matters for it. Even from allies.
You really can't unhook it from Trump. Everyone here is fully condemning what he is saying. It's as much about his behaviour and crazy plans, than just a regular discussion about what is happening in the area.
“My plan is simple: we will escalate US military involvement in the Middle East and simultaneously gut our intelligence agencies…and experience no terrorist attacks.”
Anders wrote:I expect Israel to annex the Jordan valley, and for the USA to agree to it. Israel will never give up the outer borders of the Israel/Palestine area, which they already control.
Gaza has been run terribly by the Palestinians/Hamas, and a Gaza+West Bank (Judea and Samaria) as a country together would always be very difficult to get to work properly. But never did I imagine that Gaza would turn into a US area with casinos and hotels.
The only realistic solution for me is a one state solution, with no apartheid. I wish the world would work harder on that. Then Gaza could be a place all Israelis could live in peace, and the world could help build it. There are solutions to make it work. For regular people of that country, regardless of religion, to have a good life there.
However, with Trump everything goes back to profit, personal profit and US profit.
The map Netenyahu was waving around at the UN a few months ago and his plan for expanded Israel. They want to take over the whole region. As if the surrounding Arab nations will sit quietly and do nothing about that.
It’s being suggested this is one of trumps ‘flood the zone with endless shit’ tactics and nothing will come of it. It he’s being roundly condemned everywhere that matters for it. Even from allies.
If by region you mean Israel/Palestine (including the Golan Heights, which are also claimed by Syria), I agree. If by region you mean Jordan, Lebanon, the Sinai Peninsula (Asian Egypt) and Syria, I only think Israel want total control over the Israel/Palestine land and border, and any outward action from that, is seen as self defence, and is legitimately not a land grab.
Most Palestinians see Israel/Palestine as one land as well, and there is large opposition among Palestinians for a two state solution. Which is why both sides never settle for peace, but always want to fight.
McParadigm wrote:“My plan is simple: we will escalate US military involvement in the Middle East and simultaneously gut our intelligence agencies…and experience no terrorist attacks.”
The cia redundancy offer story is genuinely batshit
Anders wrote:I expect Israel to annex the Jordan valley, and for the USA to agree to it. Israel will never give up the outer borders of the Israel/Palestine area, which they already control.
Gaza has been run terribly by the Palestinians/Hamas, and a Gaza+West Bank (Judea and Samaria) as a country together would always be very difficult to get to work properly. But never did I imagine that Gaza would turn into a US area with casinos and hotels.
The only realistic solution for me is a one state solution, with no apartheid. I wish the world would work harder on that. Then Gaza could be a place all Israelis could live in peace, and the world could help build it. There are solutions to make it work. For regular people of that country, regardless of religion, to have a good life there.
However, with Trump everything goes back to profit, personal profit and US profit.
The map Netenyahu was waving around at the UN a few months ago and his plan for expanded Israel. They want to take over the whole region. As if the surrounding Arab nations will sit quietly and do nothing about that.
It’s being suggested this is one of trumps ‘flood the zone with endless shit’ tactics and nothing will come of it. It he’s being roundly condemned everywhere that matters for it. Even from allies.
If by region you mean Israel/Palestine (including the Golan Heights, which are also claimed by Syria), I agree. If by region you mean Jordan, Lebanon, the Sinai Peninsula (Asian Egypt) and Syria, I only think Israel want total control over the Israel/Palestine land and border, and any outward action from that, is seen as self defence, and is legitimately not a land grab.
Most Palestinians see Israel/Palestine as one land as well, and there is large opposition among Palestinians for a two state solution. Which is why both sides never settle for peace, but always want to fight.
I’ll try find the map but it includes bits of everything and a vastly bigger space than just Israel and Palestine. Suez Canal and part of Egypt was included
On September 22, 2023, just two weeks before the October 7 attacks, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu displayed a map at the United Nations General Assembly of the “new Middle East,” showing Israel encompassing all of the Palestinian territories, as part of a geopolitical framework with the US-aligned Middle Eastern states of Egypt, Sudan, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
Netanyahu Shows Map of 'New Middle East'—Without Palestine—to UN General Assembly
Anders wrote:The green states are just "allies" not to become part of Israel.
That’s what they said then.
*UN now saying it’s going to take 21 years to clear all the devastation in Gaza.
Where do you even put that amount of rubble? And the uncounted thousands of corpses within it?
McParadigm wrote:“My plan is simple: we will escalate US military involvement in the Middle East and simultaneously gut our intelligence agencies…and experience no terrorist attacks.”
Don’t forget we are also fighting the cartels
Bi_3 wrote:
In all seriousness, the thing is that I believe at some point Trump will do something really bad. I don't mean something fixable like appoint the judge that overturns Roe or backing out of some useless green initiatives. I mean like Vietnam-scale, multi-generational damage bad. If we don't look critically at his actions and the reporting on them, steel-man everything to try and understand what's really happening, we are gonna miss the signal in the noise and it will be too late.
"The fatal flaw of all revolutionaries is that they know how to tear things down but don't have a f**king clue about how to build anything."
for those who are siding with elon and trump. ask yourself this. why were republicans (people not the reps though there were definitely reps included) so concerned with soros' involvement with the democratic process but are giving elon a free pass?
McParadigm wrote:“My plan is simple: we will escalate US military involvement in the Middle East and simultaneously gut our intelligence agencies…and experience no terrorist attacks.”
The cia redundancy offer story is genuinely batshit
Who do you think has been coordinating and pushing for American middle eastern intervention, nation building and support for Israel since WW2?
