Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

[Higgs]

We need to all meet in the middle on trans issues and move on. Use their pronouns and show respect. They can't play sports. Sorry. Bathrooms? I don't know. Let's iron out the details on that one together.

Succinct and to the point.

[Dev]

We need to all meet in the middle on trans issues and move on. Use their pronouns and show respect. They can't play sports. Sorry. Bathrooms? I don't know. Let's iron out the details on that one together.

Succinct and to the point.

I forgot the gender affirming care part. All for it except for hormone treatment(or any physical procedures)in anyone under 18 except in special cases where people were born intersex.

[BurtReynolds]

Trump, Musk, Vance: the new triumvirate, bringing a window of stability to the troubled Republic.

Trump: the old warhorse, beloved of the people, a part of the establishment but with an uneasy relationship to it. Trump is Pompey.

Musk: the richest man in the world. Musk is Crassus.

Vance: the charismatic young upstart. Vance is Caesar.

So how does this play out?

Musk's ambition is to go to Mars, just as Crassus wanted to conquer Parthia. Musk harnesses his wealth, launches the expedition to great fanfare. Things go horribly wrong after their arrival. Contact with the colony is lost. Musk's grave is never found.

At the head of a private military corporation equipped with letters of marque, Vance is sent into the badlands of South America to crush the cartels and secure the Panama Canal. The war takes longer than expected. By the end of it, Vance hasn't merely crushed the cartels - he's conquered the entirety of Central America.

At home, Vance is beset by his enemies in the Senate, who mistrust his ambitions and intentions. It is whispered that he wishes to make himself king.

Vance's enemies whisper in Trump's ears. Were you not the one who built the wall? If Vance brings the Central American republics into the Union, what then of immigration? Of your life's work? Vance will destroy it all.

And do the people, after all, not love you first and most? Are you not their hero? Why then should you fear this upstart?

And so the fateful day comes in which Vance returns, as summoned ... but he does not demobilize his mercenary army when it crosses the Rio Grande. His forces - which now include former cartel soldiers, some of whom he has won to his side - drive straight to Washington in a blitzkrieg attack.

Washington empties out in panic.

Trump and the Senate flee to New York City, where they rally their forces. There are still many who are loyal to Trump, particularly within the military ... but it turns out that Trump's base is much older than Vance's ... and there are many, more than expected, who declare for Vance.

And so the Union cracks apart into the Civil War that was deferred when the trumiumverate first seized power, so many years ago.

But this is not first and foremost a war of ideology, as it would have been - a showdown between right and left.

It is a war of personalities and personal loyalty, a war to determine a single question: who is to be king?

[spike]

Take it to the thinking about the Roman Empire thread.

[dimejinky99]

We need to all meet in the middle on trans issues and move on. Use their pronouns and show respect. They can't play sports. Sorry. Bathrooms? I don't know. Let's iron out the details on that one together.

Succinct and to the point.

I forgot the gender affirming care part. All for it except for hormone treatment(or any physical procedures)in anyone under 18 except in special cases where people were born intersex.

See, that’s nobody’s business. None of it. You or I have no right dictating to anyone about any of that.

[Dev]

We need to all meet in the middle on trans issues and move on. Use their pronouns and show respect. They can't play sports. Sorry. Bathrooms? I don't know. Let's iron out the details on that one together.

Succinct and to the point.

I forgot the gender affirming care part. All for it except for hormone treatment(or any physical procedures)in anyone under 18 except in special cases where people were born intersex.

See, that’s nobody’s business. None of it. You or I have no right dictating to anyone about any of that.

Do you not think there are any possible risks to hormone therapy?

[Higgs]

We need to all meet in the middle on trans issues and move on. Use their pronouns and show respect. They can't play sports. Sorry. Bathrooms? I don't know. Let's iron out the details on that one together.

Succinct and to the point.

I forgot the gender affirming care part. All for it except for hormone treatment(or any physical procedures)in anyone under 18 except in special cases where people were born intersex.

See, that’s nobody’s business. None of it. You or I have no right dictating to anyone about any of that.

If we can have laws regarding age of consent and legal driving ages and legal drinking ages and legal voting ages and ages of legal responsibility why can't we have an age criteria on permanent gender transitional therapies? Seems like a sound middle ground position in what is a very complicated issue.

[epilogue]

There are no "trans issues." There is no "trans debate." There are only trans people, and the people who support them, and the people who support, either actively or passively, their oppression.

[dimejinky99]

We need to all meet in the middle on trans issues and move on. Use their pronouns and show respect. They can't play sports. Sorry. Bathrooms? I don't know. Let's iron out the details on that one together.

Succinct and to the point.

I forgot the gender affirming care part. All for it except for hormone treatment(or any physical procedures)in anyone under 18 except in special cases where people were born intersex.

See, that’s nobody’s business. None of it. You or I have no right dictating to anyone about any of that.

Do you not think there are any possible risks to hormone therapy?

Once again you have a manufactured global panic about an immeasurably small number of the population. It’s literally nobody business except that family’s if they want to do that. It doesn’t even happen in any numbers that would make a difference and even if it did what of it? It’s nobody’s business except that family’s.

[Bi_3]

there is a whole thread for this stuff here: http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtop ... =5&t=16249

[dimejinky99]

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[dimejinky99]

We need to all meet in the middle on trans issues and move on. Use their pronouns and show respect. They can't play sports. Sorry. Bathrooms? I don't know. Let's iron out the details on that one together.

Succinct and to the point.

I forgot the gender affirming care part. All for it except for hormone treatment(or any physical procedures)in anyone under 18 except in special cases where people were born intersex.

See, that’s nobody’s business. None of it. You or I have no right dictating to anyone about any of that.

If we can have laws regarding age of consent and legal driving ages and legal drinking ages and legal voting ages and ages of legal responsibility why can't we have an age criteria on permanent gender transitional therapies? Seems like a sound middle ground position in what is a very complicated issue.

Some sense! At last! That is reasonable. But I go back to the point. It’s really nobody else’s business? Inventing a massive legislative hammer to smash a microscopically small issue all in service of a contrived bullshit moral panic doesn’t do anyone any service.


These people want trans people wiped out of all existence. Ignoring the fact that there have always been trans people. Since there’s been people. Work from that end and try view it from that end rather than placating right wing headbangers who can never be placated. It’s never enough for them.

There are far bigger issues affecting every child in the world and America in particular today than the 0.001% Of the US population who are trans or even brave enough to be open about being trans.


Ultra processed foods and minimal food after standards are physically warping people’s genes and sperm leading to countless kids born with autism and adhd etc etc is a far bigger issue globally but in the US particularly, and where is the moral panic about that ? It’s a much more pressing issue yet it’s nowhere to be seen?

[BurtReynolds]

Once again we see those dang Republicans making this minor issue into a huge one!

Lol it's only a minor issue so long as everyone goes along with the batshit leftist position. When people start to question it, suddenly it's a fight for survival against mass murderers. Or just flip back and forth between positions depending on which is most convenient. And on and on and on

[BurtReynolds]

There are no "trans issues." There is no "trans debate." There are only trans people, and the people who support them, and the people who support, either actively or passively, their oppression.

Please keep spouting this rhetoric. Never stop. Nothing discredits your ideology more than willfully confusing any and all critique of it as support for oppression!

[BurtReynolds]

We need to all meet in the middle on trans issues and move on. Use their pronouns and show respect. They can't play sports. Sorry. Bathrooms? I don't know. Let's iron out the details on that one together.

Succinct and to the point.

I forgot the gender affirming care part. All for it except for hormone treatment(or any physical procedures)in anyone under 18 except in special cases where people were born intersex.

See, that’s nobody’s business. None of it. You or I have no right dictating to anyone about any of that.

If we can have laws regarding age of consent and legal driving ages and legal drinking ages and legal voting ages and ages of legal responsibility why can't we have an age criteria on permanent gender transitional therapies? Seems like a sound middle ground position in what is a very complicated issue.

Some sense! At last! That is reasonable. But I go back to the point. It’s really nobody else’s business? Inventing a massive legislative hammer to smash a microscopically small issue all in service of a contrived bullshit moral panic doesn’t do anyone any service.


These people want trans people wiped out of all existence. Ignoring the fact that there have always been trans people. Since there’s been people. Work from that end and try view it from that end rather than placating right wing headbangers who can never be placated. It’s never enough for them.

There are far bigger issues affecting every child in the world and America in particular today than the 0.001% Of the US population who are trans or even brave enough to be open about being trans.


Ultra processed foods and minimal food after standards are physically warping people’s genes and sperm leading to countless kids born with autism and adhd etc etc is a far bigger issue globally but in the US particularly, and where is the moral panic about that ? It’s a much more pressing issue yet it’s nowhere to be seen?

Did you get that off of grok? Because that's what it sound like.

Anyway it's nice to see the left suddenly go libertarian when it comes to keeping the government out of family life, even though it's only when warped parents want to inflict their kids with permanent and life altering chemicals and surgeries. But hey, I guess those anti-vaxxers and their distrust of the government deciding on medical treatment for their kids have a point now, eh?

"And where is the moral panic about processed foods with kids in America? It’s a much more pressing issue yet it’s nowhere to be seen?"

A guy just ran for president on that issue, had 9% of the vote, and is now United States Secretary of Health and Human Services and trying to implement that exact policy making that same argument you are. But he is in the wrong party, so he's a bad guy.

[dimejinky99]

There are no "trans issues." There is no "trans debate." There are only trans people, and the people who support them, and the people who support, either actively or passively, their oppression.

Please keep spouting this rhetoric. Never stop. Nothing discredits your ideology more than willfully confusing any and all critique of it as support for oppression!

Questioning it is one thing. Creating a relentless hysteria about bathrooms and changing rooms and libraries and schools and sports, is an entirely other thing.
And that’s all on the republicans or whatever group you want to assign it to. It isn’t in trans people at all, they’re not the ones doing any of that. It’s transparent as all fuck you’d try to make it out like it is though.

[dimejinky99]

We need to all meet in the middle on trans issues and move on. Use their pronouns and show respect. They can't play sports. Sorry. Bathrooms? I don't know. Let's iron out the details on that one together.

Succinct and to the point.

I forgot the gender affirming care part. All for it except for hormone treatment(or any physical procedures)in anyone under 18 except in special cases where people were born intersex.

See, that’s nobody’s business. None of it. You or I have no right dictating to anyone about any of that.

If we can have laws regarding age of consent and legal driving ages and legal drinking ages and legal voting ages and ages of legal responsibility why can't we have an age criteria on permanent gender transitional therapies? Seems like a sound middle ground position in what is a very complicated issue.

Some sense! At last! That is reasonable. But I go back to the point. It’s really nobody else’s business? Inventing a massive legislative hammer to smash a microscopically small issue all in service of a contrived bullshit moral panic doesn’t do anyone any service.


These people want trans people wiped out of all existence. Ignoring the fact that there have always been trans people. Since there’s been people. Work from that end and try view it from that end rather than placating right wing headbangers who can never be placated. It’s never enough for them.

There are far bigger issues affecting every child in the world and America in particular today than the 0.001% Of the US population who are trans or even brave enough to be open about being trans.


Ultra processed foods and minimal food after standards are physically warping people’s genes and sperm leading to countless kids born with autism and adhd etc etc is a far bigger issue globally but in the US particularly, and where is the moral panic about that ? It’s a much more pressing issue yet it’s nowhere to be seen?

Did you get that off of grok? Because that's what it sound like.

Anyway it's nice to see the left suddenly go libertarian when it comes to keeping the government out of family life, even though it's only when warped parents want to inflict their kids with permanent and life altering chemicals and surgeries. But hey, I guess those anti-vaxxers and their distrust of the government deciding on medical treatment for their kids have a point now, eh?

"And where is the moral panic about processed foods with kids in America? It’s a much more pressing issue yet it’s nowhere to be seen?"

A guy just ran for president on that issue, had 9% of the vote, and is now United States Secretary of Health and Human Services and trying to implement that exact policy making that same argument you are. But he is in the wrong party, so he's a bad guy.

We leave the AI nonsense to you burt. It’s all you’re good at.

And if he revolutionises the US farming industry or poultry industry or makes a dent in implementing actual food safety regulations and gets to banning artificial crap in food I will eat the hat of your choice. Live on zoom or whatever you please.

He will not though he may have run under that pretence but he’s not going to address any of those things.

[BurtReynolds]

Speaking of trump picking up positions that used to be Democratic ones, the anti-vax crew is another one that was once largely liberal, so that's another community that Democrats cast off in its never ending purity death spiral.

[dimejinky99]

Speaking of trans people, the biggest threat to trans kids or trans people isn’t puberty blockers.
It’s Trumptards and MAGA fucks who are out to kill them.


*more trans people have died at the hands of those people than have died from any puberty blockers.

[BurtReynolds]

Speaking of trans people, the biggest threat to trans kids or trans people isn’t puberty blockers.
It’s Trumptards and MAGA fucks who are out to kill them.


*more trans people have died at the hands of those people than have died from any puberty blockers.

wow! I didn't know that!

How many?