7-2: Wreckage vs Red Dot

Post by **stip** » Tue April 01, 2025 12:31 pm

Wreckage vs Red Dot

Post by **stip** » Tue April 01, 2025 12:35 pm

this should be a shutout, but one of you will fuck it up

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Tue April 01, 2025 1:12 pm

Kevin Davis · Post by **Kevin Davis** » Tue April 01, 2025 1:36 pm

stip wrote:this should be a shutout, but one of you will fuck it up

In short order, too!

"Wreckage" has cratered harder for me than any DM track. For the most part, my DM rankings probably look exactly like they did when the album first came out, with the exception of "Wreckage," which went from being a top-2-3 song to somewhere near the bottom of the list.

"Red Dot" is an quirky jolt of weirdness, written and performed by my favorite drummer, on my favorite album.

wease · Post by **wease** » Tue April 01, 2025 1:54 pm

Wow. Stip really wants Wreckage to move forward.

bodysnatcher · Post by **bodysnatcher** » Tue April 01, 2025 2:14 pm

wease wrote:Wow. Stip really wants Wreckage to move forward.

RISE UP!

Post by **stip** » Tue April 01, 2025 2:14 pm

Kevin Davis wrote:
stip wrote:this should be a shutout, but one of you will fuck it up
In short order, too!

"Wreckage" has cratered harder for me than any DM track. For the most part, my DM rankings probably look exactly like they did when the album first came out, with the exception of "Wreckage," which went from being a top-2-3 song to somewhere near the bottom of the list.

"Red Dot" is an quirky jolt of weirdness, written and performed by my favorite drummer, on my favorite album.

what tanked Wreckage for you? That one rose for me over time and has had real staying power, despite thinking it's about a minute too long

Kevin Davis · Post by **Kevin Davis** » Tue April 01, 2025 2:36 pm

stip wrote:what tanked Wreckage for you? That one rose for me over time and has had real staying power, despite thinking it's about a minute too long

Not sure, I think I just feel like I heard everything there is to hear the first few times, and since then it's just felt dull and overlong. Even more than some of the other songs, it's one I'd really like to hear with a more natural production, and a warmer, more subdued performance. As it is, it's a bit bombastic and power-ballady for the kind of song it is, in a way that makes it hard to hear below the surface. I could imagine it taking on some new layers of depth in a Benaroya-type environment.

Post by **stip** » Tue April 01, 2025 4:45 pm

i feel that way about the chorus, but i love how forceful the verses are (and I think eddie’s performance is great). i dont get pop, or if I do its springsteen adjacent. they remind me a bit of the 7oclock verses, which i also love (and know you dont), though these are better

bodysnatcher · Post by **bodysnatcher** » Tue April 01, 2025 8:37 pm

I just had to play the first 30 seconds to remember what Wreckage sounds like

Post by **epilogue** » Tue April 01, 2025 8:49 pm

Of all the tiny, weird, interstitial oddball Pearl Jam songs, Red Dot has always felt like the most minor and superfluous. I don't dislike it but it doesn't move or engage me in any intellectual or emotionally meaningful way. Sure, it exists. But if it didn't, nothing would change.

Wreckage is a perfectly fine, latter day PJ song that I enjoy whenever I hear it, even if I don't often seek it out. It has strong imagery/lyrics.

Matters · Post by **Matters** » Wed April 02, 2025 1:29 am

Voting for the one I don’t skip. Red Dot

bodysnatcher · Post by **bodysnatcher** » Wed April 02, 2025 4:42 am

I wish they still did things like Red Dot

Red Mosquito