Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

[VinylGuy]

I’m about 3/4 thru the Gene episode. Full disclosure: I’m a huge KISS fan. Like Billy, have been since I was a little kid. As I’ve grown up, I’ve been able to figure Gene is a massive asshole and don’t like him at all. But I’ve been able to separate the man from the music and while I don’t listen to them all that much anymore, I do still dig them. That said, Billy did a really good job and made it an interesting interview. Yes, Gene was still “on” thru a lot of it but he did come out of that persona a few times and really gave some thoughtful and revealing answers to some questions he’s probably not gotten a lot. He’s still a douche, tho.

I listened to the Gene Simmons episode. I thought Billy was a great interviewer. It's clear that Gene has been trotting out the same generic non-answers to some of these questions for 40 years, and Billy called him out on it every time. I'll watch more of these for sure.

yeah, he is really good. Im bout to listen to the Sharon interview.

[Ello Sailor]

i heard billy say he is the best from that generation. since kurt passed. he said PJ doesnt have the material

is he really that egotistical? you cant claim a crown like that

The answer to that is - Yes! Yes he is.

Indeed. Save yourself, Jer. Do not go down that rabbit hole. Just listen to the records and leave it at that.

[Happy Trees]

Fuck you. Diane Warren is a legend

How to write a song like Dianne Warren (by Happy Trees):

Lying awake in bed at night thinking about your lovin', hearing the clock tick and looking at old photo of you as curtains blow in the breeze

Denying a requirement for sleep as impatience for lovin' sets in

Impatience gives way to desperation and the highest mountain would be climbed (entendre)

Footsteps in the hall and heart rate increases, lovin' is near

Lovin' finally occurs and sleep is now within reach

Dreaming about your lovin' post-lovin'


Livin' for lovin' begets Grammy award and so can you.

[Peeps]

i heard billy say he is the best from that generation. since kurt passed. he said PJ doesnt have the material

is he really that egotistical? you cant claim a crown like that

The answer to that is - Yes! Yes he is.

Indeed. Save yourself, Jer. Do not go down that rabbit hole. Just listen to the records and leave it at that.

i definitely will not be doing that for sure. like the music and side eye the man

[VinylGuy]

Machine reissue finally out and Billy is doing a solo tour with Kiki and a girl who looks exactly like Darcy...and will play SP songs from Machina and Mellon Collie...

mmm...maybe the band is over?

https://consequence.net/2025/03/billy-c ... 2025-tour/

[VinylGuy]

seems the Machina reissue will have 80 songs, with both vol1 and 2 and 32 demos, outtakes and live performances...

nice

[zeb]

The vinyl will be ungodly expensive, I hope that II makes it to streaming.

[Ello Sailor]

Yeah, I won't feel bad about downloading this. Billy is on one. And he's still pretending that MCIS, Machina and the recent stuff makes up a cohesive trilogy.

What a dork this man is.

[AndySlash]

the venue here is like 500 people, i might just go for that experience - the plainsong tour show he did here like 10 years ago (jesus...) was really enjoyable and part of it was being in a small crowd that was there not to see hits.

[VinylGuy]

the venue here is like 500 people, i might just go for that experience - the plainsong tour show he did here like 10 years ago (jesus...) was really enjoyable and part of it was being in a small crowd that was there not to see hits.

im sure the show will be interesting but it is weird he is not doing it with SP...Billy if you want to do a solo tour, play Future Embrace, Zwan and Ogilala songs you fucker

[spike]

the venue here is like 500 people, i might just go for that experience - the plainsong tour show he did here like 10 years ago (jesus...) was really enjoyable and part of it was being in a small crowd that was there not to see hits.

im sure the show will be interesting but it is weird he is not doing it with SP...Billy if you want to do a solo tour, play Future Embrace, Zwan and Ogilala songs you fucker

He just had another kid. Gotta make that dough with the SP stuff.

[VinylGuy]

the venue here is like 500 people, i might just go for that experience - the plainsong tour show he did here like 10 years ago (jesus...) was really enjoyable and part of it was being in a small crowd that was there not to see hits.

im sure the show will be interesting but it is weird he is not doing it with SP...Billy if you want to do a solo tour, play Future Embrace, Zwan and Ogilala songs you fucker

He just had another kid. Gotta make that dough with the SP stuff.

yeah, well but what about playing it with SP? they go on tour in June i think.

I get that this solo tour is for him to get more money and maybe he can play those solo songs a bit more. Well see.

[tragabigzanda]

[VinylGuy]

yes, so far it seems he is the one selling it, at leat the super deluxe edition.

[Sloppy Dupree]

Machines is a great album. It was never my favorite but it’s really grown on me over time.

[oasisfan35]

sounds like the Machina box set is a retail exclusive at Billy's Chicago tea shop? Is that accurate? I kind of respect that.

That is how I read it, why do you feel that is a positive?

[spike]

the venue here is like 500 people, i might just go for that experience - the plainsong tour show he did here like 10 years ago (jesus...) was really enjoyable and part of it was being in a small crowd that was there not to see hits.

im sure the show will be interesting but it is weird he is not doing it with SP...Billy if you want to do a solo tour, play Future Embrace, Zwan and Ogilala songs you fucker

He just had another kid. Gotta make that dough with the SP stuff.

yeah, well but what about playing it with SP? they go on tour in June i think.

I get that this solo tour is for him to get more money and maybe he can play those solo songs a bit more. Well see.

i guess the other pumpkins are only up for touring europe.

[Ello Sailor]

Machines is a great album. It was never my favorite but it’s really grown on me over time.

Bruh

[tragabigzanda]

[Happy Trees]

sounds like the Machina box set is a retail exclusive at Billy's Chicago tea shop? Is that accurate? I kind of respect that.

That is how I read it, why do you feel that is a positive?

I like when single location retail spaces have disproportionate pull. If it drives foot traffic to his little tea shop, I think it's a nice subversion of the marketplace*

*Obviously people will show up, buy the box sets, then flip them online for a ton of money. That's where it kind of falls apart.

Well...

Too bad for the fans who have been waiting 25 years for a digital release of Machina II.

But they're getting vinyl again as part of a $300 box set that yields easy monetary returns for Billy.