Bi_3 wrote:At the risk of yet another dime/dct lecture, I think that the pointlessness of it is the point. They fight putting their lives at risk and accomplish nothing. IIRC, in S2E05 Andor even says something along the lines of "you're going to show them something they already know", and that's what Gilroy has done here. He's shown us 'normalized evil' and the inability of the Rebellion to deal with it in any meaningful way.
Within the story a lot of these smaller outfits are effectively pointless for now. But Luthen has the correct and long view. If enough trouble is happening even in small factions galaxy wide, that’ll manifest into a much larger thing and fires for the empire to be trying to put out everywhere and they won’t be able. Not sure even cassian understands that yet or ever manages to.
All that said I have my doubts about Luthen and I’m wondering is he an imperial plant?
We know he’s gonna die but who’s gonna take him out? His assistant I reckon.
luthen as an imperial plant would be a terrible choice
much more interesting as a pure rebel
Yup. Luthen is the terrorist-adjacent "ends justify the means" rebel while Cassian is the "never forget who we're fighting for" type. I would not be surprised if he causes Bix's death which leads to Cassian killing him.
Think you might be onto something there. Probably the most likely outcome for them both.
He knows she’s using too and wasn’t happy about it. She’s a liability now. Think cassian knows that too.
But if it happens that way would cassian not cut out and drop all ties with the rebellion?
It rarely goes the way we expect.
Bi_3 wrote:At the risk of yet another dime/dct lecture, I think that the pointlessness of it is the point. They fight putting their lives at risk and accomplish nothing. IIRC, in S2E05 Andor even says something along the lines of "you're going to show them something they already know", and that's what Gilroy has done here. He's shown us 'normalized evil' and the inability of the Rebellion to deal with it in any meaningful way.
Within the story a lot of these smaller outfits are effectively pointless for now. But Luthen has the correct and long view. If enough trouble is happening even in small factions galaxy wide, that’ll manifest into a much larger thing and fires for the empire to be trying to put out everywhere and they won’t be able. Not sure even cassian understands that yet or ever manages to.
All that said I have my doubts about Luthen and I’m wondering is he an imperial plant?
We know he’s gonna die but who’s gonna take him out? His assistant I reckon.
luthen as an imperial plant would be a terrible choice
much more interesting as a pure rebel
Yup. Luthen is the terrorist-adjacent "ends justify the means" rebel while Cassian is the "never forget who we're fighting for" type. I would not be surprised if he causes Bix's death which leads to Cassian killing him.
Think you might be onto something there. Probably the most likely outcome for them both.
He knows she’s using too and wasn’t happy about it. She’s a liability now. Think cassian knows that too.
But if it happens that way would cassian not cut out and drop all ties with the rebellion?
It rarely goes the way we expect.
We should calibrate our expectations.
Interesting point. I think that could be addressed via Cinta's death, so bear with me for a second. We know that Cassian and Mon Mothma are working together in R1. Working backwards from that point, we need a way that they meet and agree to team up without Luthen as the go-between. Cassian already knows Faye from the heist and they are both aware of Luthen's double life as they are his agents. Somehow Faye needs to get Cassian to Mon and that could go like this: the rebels on Ghroman do something stupid (as inceptioned by Deedra) resulting in the Empire occupying the planet and killing many, many people. This result and Cinta's death turn Faye away from Luthen. Bix is captured/killed on a parallel mission. This turns Cassian from Luthen. Faye and Cassian then connect with Mon and explain the events which turns her from Luthen and they plot to kill him. Perhaps a trap set with Saw? Rambling here, but I think there is a solid, logical narrative path that gets us to R1 in six episodes.
"The fatal flaw of all revolutionaries is that they know how to tear things down but don't have a f**king clue about how to build anything."
I like you’re thinking but it’s probably a little too hairy.
I think Luthens assistant will be the bridge (what’s her name??) between Mon and cassian and given their argument last episodes maybe she’s the one to take him out and take over. She seems far more intense and idealogical than he even is.
I woke up 4am this morning to watch them only to realise I was a day early. Ended up watching the entire first season of golden girls. Some swap for andor eh?
Yavin looking sweet already
Force heelers were cool
Andor is a messenger with a purpose
Good to see Bix fit and healthy
Planning to take out Dedra is dangerous
I dont think Wilmon is making it off Gorman
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RIP Syril he lowered his blaster
K2SO creation is about to become a reality
Dedra not choked by Vader as the trailer suggested. Although she is not surviving to the end of the series. I can’t believe Syril choked her. That was uncomfortable
I actually felt sorry for Eedy
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All three of these an intense emotional onslaught. Feel so bad for Syril most of all. He realised what side he’s on, the completely wrong one, and what she’s doing to him by lying and not telling him, and he still snaps out of it. Someone who has never felt love in his life and he walks out. But then goes full feral trying to protect his girlfriend when he sees cassian trying to kill her. Even felt bad for Dedra and his mam by the end.
He deserves a better end than that but here we are. War is unfair and rebellions are merciless.
Just so well done with K2 at the end. Needed some small uplift after all of that.
There’s so much going on in these last two and calling a genocide out? Brave move by anyone doing it. Usually a terminal move
I don't think we are talking about Diego Luna enough. He is really remembering how his character in Rogue One was and doing a great job of going backward to build his character up to that. I can't wait to do a watch of Rogue One after this solely because of him. He's been amazing on this show.
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I don't think we are talking about Diego Luna enough. He is really remembering how his character in Rogue One was and doing a great job of going backward to build his character up to that. I can't wait to do a watch of Rogue One after this solely because of him. He's been amazing on this show.
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I don't think we are talking about Diego Luna enough. He is really remembering how his character in Rogue One was and doing a great job of going backward to build his character up to that. I can't wait to do a watch of Rogue One after this solely because of him. He's been amazing on this show.
He’s on it. Every single moment. Cried and bawling watching him trying to keep it together when he was driving that imperial transport away. And kind of when he realises Bix is gone.
Some weird choices editing there but it doesn’t matter in the end. He’s called back to serve the rebellion just by instinct puts his own hurt away and gets back into his default. Rebel. and the vessel for that K2 is just a treat for all of us more than any story function I think.
It felt added on. I would’ve started the final arc with that. But I don’t care. Those 3 eps needed just a little light at the end and there it is.
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Also, we don't pay for the commercial-free version of Disney+, and these three episodes seemed to have way more commercials than the last few.
Ads?
I pay €3 a month for Disney + and there are no ads.
Don’t think they’re allowed do that here
