Star Wars: Andor (Disney+)

[dimejinky99]

Season one .
Want a series where we get to see Mon and Bix and Kleya get to watch the plans disappear and they’re in hysterics for a bit and don’t know R2D2 has them, then see Luke make the shot and blows up the Death Star

The point of it all.

Season two.
The empire in chaos. Vader himself found lost in a spinning TIE. The emperor is displeased and was this that hit us like that. Find him. And this shut down interminable rebellion.
8 episodes of ISB intrigue and backstabbing ensues intershot with the rebel alliance building and still up to dirty deeds and Shenanigans and finally leading into season three

Where we get to see Luke training on dagiobah with Luke for months rather than three scenes.

Haven’t and won’t write out the ewoks so don’t even start at that.

[dimejinky99]

Ami I rich now ?

[@SkitchP]

Finally finished. What an absolute treasure this show is.

And now look up Bloody Sunday in Derry or the Dublin and Monaghan bombings Or just check in on Palestine and see what all this is reflecting back at us. Our own lights.

Or just look up a band called kneecap who pointed it out and were right and are still.

Not gonna lie dime... Your misread on Syril and inability to own up to it, has me questioning the things that I previously might have agreed with you on

[spike]

Finally finished. What an absolute treasure this show is.

And now look up Bloody Sunday in Derry or the Dublin and Monaghan bombings Or just check in on Palestine and see what all this is reflecting back at us. Our own lights.

Or just look up a band called kneecap who pointed it out and were right and are still.

Not gonna lie dime... Your misread on Syril and inability to own up to it, has me questioning the things that I previously might have agreed with you on

He’s already attempted to retcon this by claiming all he said was Syril’s ending wasn’t earned, but we have the receipts!

[dimejinky99]

Finally finished. What an absolute treasure this show is.

And now look up Bloody Sunday in Derry or the Dublin and Monaghan bombings Or just check in on Palestine and see what all this is reflecting back at us. Our own lights.

Or just look up a band called kneecap who pointed it out and were right and are still.

Not gonna lie dime... Your misread on Syril and inability to own up to it, has me questioning the things that I previously might have agreed with you on

I said what I sawas I watched it. Already said twice I’m happy to say it wasn’t what the actor was doing. My point was and remains they didn’t earn it. They haven’t even shown him thinking or mentioning andor at all in this season or for two thirds of the first. We’re sposed ti believe he’s obsessed with andor? Show me where he is? The moment they have a big scrap doesn’t feel earned at all. And one of the writers said the same thing it was about him feeling all that rage for realising he’s a nothing and irrelevant and he’s been used. Which was my read of it and I stand by it. He doesn’t just go postal cos he sees cassian. To argue that he does ignores everything he’s been through used by the empire and dispensed with especially everything in that particular episode when the penny drops for him and he realises and walks out on Dedra and the empire. That’s a much bigger and more important conclusion to his character than his whole fight with cass, which just feels tacked on and out of nowhere.
That’s all I was saying and I’m not wrong.



Also I’m fairly sure we’ve never agreed about anything? So really don’t get why I should care you don’t on this either?

[dimejinky99]

Finally finished. What an absolute treasure this show is.

And now look up Bloody Sunday in Derry or the Dublin and Monaghan bombings Or just check in on Palestine and see what all this is reflecting back at us. Our own lights.

Or just look up a band called kneecap who pointed it out and were right and are still.

Not gonna lie dime... Your misread on Syril and inability to own up to it, has me questioning the things that I previously might have agreed with you on

He’s already attempted to retcon this by claiming all he said was Syril’s ending wasn’t earned, but we have the receipts!

Haha
It was my first point on the whole thing spike. No retconning whatsoever.
Stop using that word by the way. You’re an adult.

[E.H. Ruddock]

[dimejinky99]

And what episode in season one was that Ruddo?
It’s ok to say they dropped the ball maintaining this or rather didn’t maintain this obsession he’s sposed to have. Listening to gilroy and the other writers talking over several interviews they got lost in the sheer scale of it both writing and entire production.

If they had one or two episodes with scenes and syril doing that ^ shot in them we’d all know. He literally doesn’t mention him again and the writing doesn’t go anywhere near his ‘obsession with finding andor’ ever again.

[dimejinky99]

Who’d have thought I’d be the one calling out shit writing on one of the main and important Star Wars storylines and the rm bros would be running to the rescue.

lol!

[Simple Torture]

Do you all remember that article that came out a few months ago about how Netflix has been asking creators to constantly remind viewers what their shows and movies are about through dialogue because they know that people’s attention is going to wander, they know know that lots of viewers do other stuff while watching TV, and they know that in general the ability to read and analyze a text is a skill that’s in its death throes? Surely, we all thought, this is an overreaction, we all hoped, because surely Joe Q. McPublic isn’t such a rube as to accept this sort of surface-level-only text as the new normal and will rebel and ask for art that requires you to pay attention, to connect the dots yourself, to work hard to make meaning, right? People still want to be challenged, right, and there’s no way audiences, when faced with deep, rich texts aren’t going to start demanding to have their hand held and constantly force fed what themes and ideas they should take as gospel instead of doing it themselves, right?

Just wanted to post that here for no reason.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Dedra also knew who Andor was, right? And who did she live with this season? I appreciate the writers letting some things to the audience’s intelligence

[epilogue]

Dedra also knew who Andor was, right? And who did she live with this season? I appreciate the writers letting some things to the audience’s intelligence

Not only did she know him, she specifically mentions how important it is to find him (in S2). Which felt weird when it happened in because she always cared more about Luthen. But now that we know the whole story, it's heartbreaking and awesome that she mentions Andor directly.

This show is so good.

[Bi_3]

Finally finished. What an absolute treasure this show is.

And now look up Bloody Sunday in Derry or the Dublin and Monaghan bombings Or just check in on Palestine and see what all this is reflecting back at us. Our own lights.

Or just look up a band called kneecap who pointed it out and were right and are still.

Euros not try to make everything about themselves challenge: impossible

[epilogue]

Finally finished. What an absolute treasure this show is.

And now look up Bloody Sunday in Derry or the Dublin and Monaghan bombings Or just check in on Palestine and see what all this is reflecting back at us. Our own lights.

Or just look up a band called kneecap who pointed it out and were right and are still.

Euros not try to make everything about themselves challenge: impossible

Hey pot.... Yeah, it's kettle. You're black.

[lecherouslittlestump]

I know the reasons why this was only 2 seasons, but boy this really needed at least one more season.

Final 3 episodes are great, but it's far too rushed and trying to line everything up for Rogue One.

I've not kept up with the pages of arguing on this thread, but I agree with whoever said the Andor/Syril fight felt 'unearned'.

[Simple Torture]

I think about Syril/Cassian this way: Syril’s arc that spans the entirety of the two seasons (until his death, anyway) isn’t all about being obsessed with Cassian, but it is all about being obsessed—and the object of Syril’s obsession is whatever can help square the question “Well, why not me?” In Season 1, he thinks catching Cassian will make him into a somebody. In Season 2, he shifts his obsession to helping Dedra find the “outside agitators.” In Season 1, he was playing at being a cop; in Season 2, he’s playing at being a spy; they’re costumes he puts on to give himself importance, if he can just find “that thing” that makes him the center of attention, so someone will pat him on the back and say, “Job well done.” Of course he fails at both, and it just so happens he runs into Cassian as he experiences, for the second time in his life (that we’ve seen), the crushing realization that he’s not good enough; that he’s an outsider, not an insider; and that everyone else has known this stuff all along. He tries to tear Cassian to pieces not because he thinks “Oh that’s the guy I’ve been chasing,” but because Cassian symbolizes his impotence, and he thinks that by destroying that symbol he will conquer the thing itself (this is, like, the oldest theme of American fiction). And when Cassian says “Who are you?” at his moment of triumph, it’s the real killing blow, because he’s reminded that even if he ices him right there, he’s still just some fucking loser. It’s a mirror of the moment when the harpoon line gets wrapped around Ahab’s neck—all that toiling, all that work, all of those people that died, it was all for nothing. So, yeah, I think that character moment was well and earned.

[Bi_3]

I think about Syril/Cassian this way: Syril’s arc that spans the entirety of the two seasons (until his death, anyway) isn’t all about being obsessed with Cassian, but it is all about being obsessed—and the object of Syril’s obsession is whatever can help square the question “Well, why not me?” In Season 1, he thinks catching Cassian will make him into a somebody. In Season 2, he shifts his obsession to helping Dedra find the “outside agitators.” In Season 1, he was playing at being a cop; in Season 2, he’s playing at being a spy; they’re costumes he puts on to give himself importance, if he can just find “that thing” that makes him the center of attention, so someone will pat him on the back and say, “Job well done.” Of course he fails at both, and it just so happens he runs into Cassian as he experiences, for the second time in his life (that we’ve seen), the crushing realization that he’s not good enough; that he’s an outsider, not an insider; and that everyone else has known this stuff all along. He tries to tear Cassian to pieces not because he thinks “Oh that’s the guy I’ve been chasing,” but because Cassian symbolizes his impotence, and he thinks that by destroying that symbol he will conquer the thing itself (this is, like, the oldest theme of American fiction). And when Cassian says “Who are you?” at his moment of triumph, it’s the real killing blow, because he’s reminded that even if he ices him right there, he’s still just some fucking loser. It’s a mirror of the moment when the harpoon line gets wrapped around Ahab’s neck—all that toiling, all that work, all of those people that died, it was all for nothing. So, yeah, I think that character moment was well and earned.

10/10

Totally agree.

[spike]

Yep that’s it. His rage is all his frustrations coming to a head, not just his inability to best Andor. Seeing him is just the catalyst while he’s also slowly coming to the realization that Deedra/The Empire have been using him as their pawn all along, and that they’re about to genocide the Ghormans and they don’t care if he’s in the crossfire.

Then add to that a Ghorman takes him out, to save Andor, and it drives home the point that Syril’s existence was inconsequential to the greater machinations of either side all along. It was the perfect ending for the character and what he represents in the story; totally earned/logical.

[Got Some]

I think about Syril/Cassian this way: Syril’s arc that spans the entirety of the two seasons (until his death, anyway) isn’t all about being obsessed with Cassian, but it is all about being obsessed—and the object of Syril’s obsession is whatever can help square the question “Well, why not me?” In Season 1, he thinks catching Cassian will make him into a somebody. In Season 2, he shifts his obsession to helping Dedra find the “outside agitators.” In Season 1, he was playing at being a cop; in Season 2, he’s playing at being a spy; they’re costumes he puts on to give himself importance, if he can just find “that thing” that makes him the center of attention, so someone will pat him on the back and say, “Job well done.” Of course he fails at both, and it just so happens he runs into Cassian as he experiences, for the second time in his life (that we’ve seen), the crushing realization that he’s not good enough; that he’s an outsider, not an insider; and that everyone else has known this stuff all along. He tries to tear Cassian to pieces not because he thinks “Oh that’s the guy I’ve been chasing,” but because Cassian symbolizes his impotence, and he thinks that by destroying that symbol he will conquer the thing itself (this is, like, the oldest theme of American fiction). And when Cassian says “Who are you?” at his moment of triumph, it’s the real killing blow, because he’s reminded that even if he ices him right there, he’s still just some fucking loser. It’s a mirror of the moment when the harpoon line gets wrapped around Ahab’s neck—all that toiling, all that work, all of those people that died, it was all for nothing. So, yeah, I think that character moment was well and earned.

X2

Thats how I saw it for sure.

[dimejinky99]

Finally finished. What an absolute treasure this show is.

And now look up Bloody Sunday in Derry or the Dublin and Monaghan bombings Or just check in on Palestine and see what all this is reflecting back at us. Our own lights.

Or just look up a band called kneecap who pointed it out and were right and are still.

Euros not try to make everything about themselves challenge: impossible

Israel / Palestine isnt in Europe bi. Nor for that matter is Derry or Northern Ireland as it happens.

Try again kiddo.