spike wrote:that Syril’s existence was inconsequential to the greater machinations of either side all along. It was the perfect ending for the character and what he represents in the story; totally earned/logical.
That’s exactly it but he’s realised that and they should have let him have that. Instead of fighting cass and losing his life like that, have him killed by one of the imperial troops rather than a random shot from a ghorm. That would have been far more fitting for the character and his arc.
The fight with cassian just felt pinned on and unearned. And pointless given it’s not even cassian that kills him. Nothing will change my mind on this one.
In all honesty I love the character and wish we’d had more of him and he’d hung around for longer. That’s all.
JUSTICE FOR SYRIL!!
Have to say being lectured on a massacre, by Americans on an internet forum, is something else. I should actually submit to the wider knowledge and expertise on it all. You are after all the experts in that field and conducting of and facilitating of them.
It’s almost like you missed the entire point of the series and Star Wars itself as a whole.
dimejinky99 wrote:‘We didn’t kill him! The resistance did!’
Have to say being lectured on a massacre, by Americans on an internet forum, is something else. I should actually submit to the wider knowledge and expertise on it all. You are after all the experts in that field and conducting of and facilitating of them.
It’s almost like you missed the entire point of the series and Star Wars itself as a whole.
Setting aside *all of that* no one is lecturing on "the massacre" at all. It's all been about one specific character.
dimejinky99 wrote:
That’s exactly it but he’s realised that and they should have let him have that. Instead of fighting cass and losing his life like that, have him killed by one of the imperial troops rather than a random shot from a ghorm. That would have been far more fitting for the character and his arc.
The fight with cassian just felt pinned on and unearned. And pointless given it’s not even cassian that kills him. Nothing will change my mind on this one.
In all honesty I love the character and wish we’d had more of him and he’d hung around for longer. That’s all.
JUSTICE FOR SYRIL!!
It’s like we didn’t watch the same show. In what world does Syril getting cut down by a stormtrooper have anything to do with his arc? The Ghorman plaza is the manifestation of an imperialist regime’s cruelty, greed, and bureaucratic psychopathy (you’ve referred to this in a number of your posts, so I know you get this). This has nothing to do with Syril’s arc; he’s never been cast as the subject of this tyranny, so to pile his body on top of the Ghormans who do feel the boot coming down on their necks would be extremely out of place. The rebellion has been forming in the background of his story, not the foreground; he’s self-obsessed, he’s like one of those people who says, “You know, I’m really not that into politics” while still reaping all the benefits of the dominant social and political class. Justice means getting what you deserve, and Syril didn’t deserve to bleed out on Gorman plaza, he deserved to be cut down in the corner of some café right after being reminded that he’s only ever thought of himself, but no one’s ever given him a second thought.
dimejinky99 wrote:‘We didn’t kill him! The resistance did!’
Have to say being lectured on a massacre, by Americans on an internet forum, is something else. I should actually submit to the wider knowledge and expertise on it all. You are after all the experts in that field and conducting of and facilitating of them.
It’s almost like you missed the entire point of the series and Star Wars itself as a whole.
dimejinky99 wrote:The RM bros
Write endless reams about the Ghorman massacre and who is right, and ignore the actual Palestine massacre.
Happening right now.
You’re all very fucked up and thick as mince.
For some, Star Wars is an escape from reality, not a reminder of it.
Also, again, we are talking about one character here.
“Here’s a detailed analysis of how I think the text works.”
“Nuh-uh, and why aren’t you talking about Palestine?”
If my brain ever starts malfunctioning like this, I give every one of you permission to bring me out into the backyard and shoot me in the fucking head.
Simple Torture wrote:I think about Syril/Cassian this way: Syril’s arc that spans the entirety of the two seasons (until his death, anyway) isn’t all about being obsessed with Cassian, but it is all about being obsessed—and the object of Syril’s obsession is whatever can help square the question “Well, why not me?” In Season 1, he thinks catching Cassian will make him into a somebody. In Season 2, he shifts his obsession to helping Dedra find the “outside agitators.” In Season 1, he was playing at being a cop; in Season 2, he’s playing at being a spy; they’re costumes he puts on to give himself importance, if he can just find “that thing” that makes him the center of attention, so someone will pat him on the back and say, “Job well done.” Of course he fails at both, and it just so happens he runs into Cassian as he experiences, for the second time in his life (that we’ve seen), the crushing realization that he’s not good enough; that he’s an outsider, not an insider; and that everyone else has known this stuff all along. He tries to tear Cassian to pieces not because he thinks “Oh that’s the guy I’ve been chasing,” but because Cassian symbolizes his impotence, and he thinks that by destroying that symbol he will conquer the thing itself (this is, like, the oldest theme of American fiction). And when Cassian says “Who are you?” at his moment of triumph, it’s the real killing blow, because he’s reminded that even if he ices him right there, he’s still just some fucking loser. It’s a mirror of the moment when the harpoon line gets wrapped around Ahab’s neck—all that toiling, all that work, all of those people that died, it was all for nothing. So, yeah, I think that character moment was well and earned.
10/10
Totally agree.
ST, would be interested in your take on Meero and how she and Syril represent opposite sides of the same ideological coin
"The fatal flaw of all revolutionaries is that they know how to tear things down but don't have a f**king clue about how to build anything."
Monkey_Driven wrote:I must not get SW because I thought this was about perfect. Finally finished it last night.
Cassian and Mon Mothma have rocketed to the top of my favorite SW characters.
Yeah, Mothma is an all-tmer for me now, too. Jus wonderful.
The show is fantastic. I have quibbles (chief among them that this isn't really "Star Wars" to me) but none of those quibbles really matter at the end of the day. This was excellent television, even if the ending was a little middling. It ain't all about the end.
One of the little things I really liked was when they showed the empire moving around the barriers, and they're clearly very very heavy, then the KX droid kicks it like it was nothing
Another thing in that episode was that squadron of imperial soldiers realizing they weren't fully trained for the situation and that they were being ordered to go out in the square to sacrifice themselves. That was a powerful scene and really well done.
