Bi_3 wrote:Yeah, that didnt happen.B wrote:Props to Jackson for pointing out that Republicans are happy for cis gendered kids to get treatment that affirms their gender.
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She did ask if a cis-male who wanted to lower his voice could get puberty blockers. The response was "no".B wrote:Bi_3 wrote:Yeah, that didnt happen.B wrote:Props to Jackson for pointing out that Republicans are happy for cis gendered kids to get treatment that affirms their gender.
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But honestly I did not understand most of the parts of the hearing I listened to. It almost seemed like there were two different cases being heard at the same time and the attorney for TN seemed like he was implying being trans was not a medical condition, which is ridiculous.
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That answer was revised when counsel limited themselves to the law under consideration.Bi_3 wrote:She did ask if a cis-male who wanted to lower his voice could get puberty blockers. The response was "no".B wrote:Bi_3 wrote:Yeah, that didnt happen.B wrote:Props to Jackson for pointing out that Republicans are happy for cis gendered kids to get treatment that affirms their gender.
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Chief Justice Allows U.S. to Continue Freeze on Foreign Aid Payments
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US Supreme Court won't let Trump withhold payment to foreign aid groups
*Reuters is not paywalled to the best of my knowledge.
This is shameful, period.
*Reuters is not paywalled to the best of my knowledge.
This is shameful, period.
Justice Alito wrote:"Does a single district court judge who likely lacks jurisdiction have the unchecked power to compel the government of the United States to pay out (and probably lose forever) 2 billion taxpayer dollars? The answer to that question should be an emphatic 'No,' but a majority of this court apparently thinks otherwise," Alito wrote. "I am stunned."
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Yes! Only the Supreme Court Justices should have unchecked power!oasisfan35 wrote:US Supreme Court won't let Trump withhold payment to foreign aid groups
*Reuters is not paywalled to the best of my knowledge.
This is shameful, period.
Justice Alito wrote:"Does a single district court judge who likely lacks jurisdiction have the unchecked power to compel the government of the United States to pay out (and probably lose forever) 2 billion taxpayer dollars? The answer to that question should be an emphatic 'No,' but a majority of this court apparently thinks otherwise," Alito wrote. "I am stunned."
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And only the ones loyal to Trump, at that.Higgs wrote:Yes! Only the Supreme Court Justices should have unchecked power!oasisfan35 wrote:US Supreme Court won't let Trump withhold payment to foreign aid groups
*Reuters is not paywalled to the best of my knowledge.
This is shameful, period.
Justice Alito wrote:"Does a single district court judge who likely lacks jurisdiction have the unchecked power to compel the government of the United States to pay out (and probably lose forever) 2 billion taxpayer dollars? The answer to that question should be an emphatic 'No,' but a majority of this court apparently thinks otherwise," Alito wrote. "I am stunned."
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Really not feeling good about the recess coming up...Justice Jackson wrote:Even assuming a likelihood that the law permits the Government to terminate parole grants in this fashion, I would let the courts decide that highly consequential legal issue first—consistent with standard stay practices and, especially, the necessary harm-centered focus. Instead, the Court allows the Government to do what it wants to do regardless, rendering constraints of law irrelevant and unleashing devastation in the process
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"JUSTICE JACKSON, dissenting. I agree with every word of JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point: The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law."
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Context:
The Supreme Court on Friday agreed to allow President Trump to end birthright citizenship in some parts of the country, even as legal challenges to the constitutionality of the move proceed in other regions.
The 6-to-3 decision, which was written by Justice Amy Coney Barrett and split along ideological lines, is a major victory for Mr. Trump, and may dramatically reshape how citizenship is granted in the United States, even temporarily.
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I don't understand this part, is there an explanation somewhere?4/5 wrote:"JUSTICE JACKSON, dissenting. I agree with every word of JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point: The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law."
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The Court limited the type of nationwide injunctions against presidential actions that were used to put enforcement of Trump's birthright citizenship XO on hold while it went through the Courts. The dissenters believe this means that the action would only be paused now for the people who directly bring the lawsuit, meanwhile it would still be in effect against everybody else, thus allowing unconstitutional actions against anybody who isn't party to the lawsuit.Bi_3 wrote:I don't understand this part, is there an explanation somewhere?4/5 wrote:"JUSTICE JACKSON, dissenting. I agree with every word of JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point: The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law."
I'm going to read through this after lunch. I'm honestly not sure what to think so far.
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It's a doozy...4/5 wrote:The Court limited the type of nationwide injunctions against presidential actions that were used to put enforcement of Trump's birthright citizenship XO on hold while it went through the Courts. The dissenters believe this means that the action would only be paused now for the people who directly bring the lawsuit, meanwhile it would still be in effect against everybody else, thus allowing unconstitutional actions against anybody who isn't party to the lawsuit.Bi_3 wrote:I don't understand this part, is there an explanation somewhere?4/5 wrote:"JUSTICE JACKSON, dissenting. I agree with every word of JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point: The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law."
I'm going to read through this after lunch. I'm honestly not sure what to think so far.
I'll probably give it another run through this evening as I'm at work currently.Justice Jackson wrote:At the very least, I lament that the majority is so caught up in minutiae of the Government’s self-serving, finger-pointing arguments that it misses the plot.
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Thanks, this is beyond my understanding of how these things work. I assume that you cannot automatically include every citizen in a class, so that makes sense. You also cannot create a method to use the lower courts to unreasonably restrict the President from their legal authority over the executive branch, which is clearly happening. So that makes sense as well. But my uninformed mind agrees with what Jackson wrote in the quote, it certainly does open the door for unconstitutional orders written by the executive to go into effect before the Court has ruled on it.4/5 wrote:The Court limited the type of nationwide injunctions against presidential actions that were used to put enforcement of Trump's birthright citizenship XO on hold while it went through the Courts. The dissenters believe this means that the action would only be paused now for the people who directly bring the lawsuit, meanwhile it would still be in effect against everybody else, thus allowing unconstitutional actions against anybody who isn't party to the lawsuit.Bi_3 wrote:I don't understand this part, is there an explanation somewhere?4/5 wrote:"JUSTICE JACKSON, dissenting. I agree with every word of JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point: The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law."
I'm going to read through this after lunch. I'm honestly not sure what to think so far.
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so nothing is unconstitutional unless and until someone has resources and sues. got it. makes perfect sense.
judges: "the executive order is clearly unconstitutional, but only insofar as it affects these plaintiffs, in this jurisdiction, before this court, and this district court judge."
judges: "the executive order is clearly unconstitutional, but only insofar as it affects these plaintiffs, in this jurisdiction, before this court, and this district court judge."
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Can't see the forest for the trees...Chris_H_2 wrote:so nothing is unconstitutional unless and until someone has resources and sues. got it. makes perfect sense.
judges: "the executive order is clearly unconstitutional, but only insofar as it affects these plaintiffs, in this jurisdiction, before this court, and this district court judge."
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I think this part attempts to explain it. Seems like a gap in 'checks and balances' between the executive and judiciary, where the court is saying even when the President breaks the law we will not:Chris_H_2 wrote:so nothing is unconstitutional unless and until someone has resources and sues. got it. makes perfect sense.
judges: "the executive order is clearly unconstitutional, but only insofar as it affects these plaintiffs, in this jurisdiction, before this court, and this district court judge."
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nobody was compelling the white house to do anything. the district-court judge was enjoining the white house from acting contrary to the law. there's a big difference between a mandatory injunction (marbury v. madison) requiring the executive to act nationwide and a negative injunction enjoining a clearly unconstitutional order from taking effect nationwide.Bi_3 wrote:I think this part attempts to explain it. Seems like a gap in 'checks and balances' between the executive and judiciary, where the court is saying even when the President breaks the law we will not:Chris_H_2 wrote:so nothing is unconstitutional unless and until someone has resources and sues. got it. makes perfect sense.
judges: "the executive order is clearly unconstitutional, but only insofar as it affects these plaintiffs, in this jurisdiction, before this court, and this district court judge."
ironically, this creates more of a loophole than it closes; you're going to have patchwork injunctions, and the forum shopping is going to be off the charts.