Anybody want a Corona?

[Matters]

Trump got the covid jab yesterday. I thought all you magats were against that?

I’m not sure who you’re talking to but the idea of associating someone with a political ideology simply because that person didn’t want to be injected with a rushed product which offered that person little to no benefit, is silly.

please show us your work on little to no benefit

Someone of my age and in good health was never at significant statistical risk of hospitalization or death from Covid, with or without injection. Cases rose to record highs after the shots were rolled out so it wasn’t preventing transmission.

When you became infected with and passed Covid to others, was it before or after you took the shots?

[Peeps]

Trump got the covid jab yesterday. I thought all you magats were against that?

I’m not sure who you’re talking to but the idea of associating someone with a political ideology simply because that person didn’t want to be injected with a rushed product which offered that person little to no benefit, is silly.

please show us your work on little to no benefit

Someone of my age and in good health was never at significant statistical risk of hospitalization or death from Covid, with or without injection. Cases rose to record highs after the shots were rolled out so it wasn’t preventing transmission.

When you became infected with and passed Covid to others, was it before or after you took the shots?

before. I got it at Christmas of 2020. I had the chills, the sweats, lost my sense of smell for a few weeks, achey, no energy at all, breathing was less than normal. exactly 90 days after i got it the vaccination came out so i got it. the second time I tested positive for Covid it was more like a cold. two things at play here. i had the vaccination and covid so my body new how to deal with its and did a bang up job of protecting me from any of the more devastating effects.

you do know what the definition of a vaccination is?

Vaccination is the process of introducing a vaccine to teach the body's immune system to recognize and defend against specific diseases. Vaccines, which can be given as shots, pills, or sprays, work by exposing the body to a weakened or killed form of a germ, or to a piece of it, to build immunity without causing illness. This process makes the immune system stronger, preparing it to fight off future infections from the same germ.

it doesnt say it will prevent it. it helps your body prepare to fight it off. this usually translates to perhaps you still get the disease but your body immediately recognizes it and starts fighting it so that you do not feel the full effects of it

[Matters]

If I was never at significant statistical risk of being hospitalized or killed by Covid and the shots were not going to prevent me from transmitting Covid to others, what would the benefit of me being injected with a rushed product that didn’t go through the same scrutiny of testing as other “vaccines” be?

[B]

There's a couple of things wrong with Matters' last post.

1. The vaccine doesn't provide perfect protection, but it does reduce severity, longevity, and transmissibility. COVID's incubation period is quite short, so even though our immune system starts producing antibodies as soon as we're exposed, it's not fast enough to kill off all of the COVID before we start feeling sick. We do, however, get a head start, so illness is cut off sooner and before we get as sick as we might have. And more importantly for previous conversations, it shortens (but does not eliminate) the amount of time that we're able to make other people sick.

2. The vaccine got to market faster not by shortening the clinical tests, but by eliminating the time between tests where, under normal circumstances, a pharmaceutical company would be trying to raise money, find investors, and convince corporate leaders that moving on would earn them more money than it cost them. The Feds eliminated all of that time by guaranteeing payment even if the clinical tests didn't work out. But good news, they did work out, and they were every bit as thorough as any other vaccine.

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got his ass

[Matters]

From the US Government Accountability Office regarding Operation Warp Speed

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-319

“We analyzed the program's vaccine candidates and found that their development followed traditional practices, with some adaptations. For example, some clinical trial phases overlapped with each other and with animal studies to accelerate development.”

[B]

From the US Government Accountability Office regarding Operation Warp Speed

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-319

“We analyzed the program's vaccine candidates and found that their development followed traditional practices, with some adaptations. For example, some clinical trial phases overlapped with each other and with animal studies to accelerate development.”

Correct.

[Matters]

I appreciate the conversations we have here and I’m thankful for those who participate in it. I mean that.

I ask anyone reading this to explain to me how they think I would have benefited from taking the Covid shots.

Before answering, please consider the following facts:

I live in a part of the country that in 2021 had one of the highest “vaccination” rates in the world. 97% of the population in my county took the shots. Still almost everyone I know, friends, family members and coworkers became infected with Covid in 2021, after they had been injected. Please explain to me how me being injected would have prevented transmission when everyone around me became infected anyway.

I never took a COVID shot. When I got COVID it was a 2-3 day stint of flu like symptoms with another day or two of fatigue. These symptoms were very similar to those of every “vaccinated” person I talked to about what it was like having Covid.

I did not need to take shots to avoid hospitalization or death. This wasn’t me being lucky. The statistics showed at the time that I would have been ridiculously unlucky if that had happened.

Explain to me how my life or the life of anyone around me would be better if I had taken the shots in 2021.

[Bammer]

I’m with you but I got it so I could travel and attend M’s games and stuff.

[B]

As it was, COVID killed roughly 1 in every 300 Americans. If we'd never vaccinated anyone, there would still be people who didn't get very sick. There would be people who got sick and didn't know it. There'd still be people who didn't get sick at all.

The risk was low for you, and I'm glad you didn't lose your health or life or loved ones to the disease, but lot's of people did. 2/3 of Americans never got sick. Could your life had been better if you had vaccinated? Probably not, you were a big winner. There were no bigger winners than you.

Of course, your argument still seems to rely on your belief that the point of vaccination was complete destruction of the vaccine. It was never that good, or rather, COVID was never that weak. Reduction was the key. Through the vaccination campaign, there were less cases than there would have been, and all of those cases were shorter and less severe than they would have otherwise been.

At a population level, we're all going to know people who got sick despite vaccination and there are even people who got no vaccine and never even got sick. There were unvaccinated 80 year olds that never got sick, and there are very healthy 15 year olds who died.

But again, to your point, how could you have benefitted? You couldn't. You were the top COVID winner.

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Hang Matters in The Louvre

[Matters]

From the famous Leana Wen article in the Washington Post in 2023 when the state of Massachusetts began differentiating between deaths “from” COVID and deaths “with” COVID.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ercounting

Quotes from doctors in that state:

-90 percent of patients diagnosed with covid are actually in the hospital for some other illness.

-Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for covid, many are incidentally positive. A gunshot victim or someone who had a heart attack, for example, could test positive for the virus, but the infection has no bearing on why they sought medical care.

-If these patients die, covid might get added to their death certificate along with the other diagnoses. But the coronavirus was not the primary contributor to their death and often played no role at all.

-In recent months, only about 30 percent of total hospitalizations with covid were primarily attributed to the virus.

-During some days, the proportion of those hospitalized because of covid were as low as 10 percent of the total number reported.

[Matters]

2/3 of Americans never got sick.

This is a Goebbels level lie.

[B]

2/3 of Americans never got sick.

This is a Goebbels level lie.

Were never confirmed to have gotten sick?

I was using CDC's suspected cases (150,000,000), which is 150% of the confirmed cases.
Unless you think the estimate should be 400% of confirmed cases, but I can't really carry on a conversation if you're going to just make shit up.

[B]

From the famous Leana Wen article in the Washington Post in 2023 when the state of Massachusetts began differentiating between deaths “from” COVID and deaths “with” COVID.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ercounting

Quotes from doctors in that state:

-90 percent of patients diagnosed with covid are actually in the hospital for some other illness.

-Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for covid, many are incidentally positive. A gunshot victim or someone who had a heart attack, for example, could test positive for the virus, but the infection has no bearing on why they sought medical care.

-If these patients die, covid might get added to their death certificate along with the other diagnoses. But the coronavirus was not the primary contributor to their death and often played no role at all.

-In recent months, only about 30 percent of total hospitalizations with covid were primarily attributed to the virus.

-During some days, the proportion of those hospitalized because of covid were as low as 10 percent of the total number reported.

I've found a few things refuting these claims, but honestly, I can't read the article, so I can't go at it directly.

The last 2 bullets seem irrelevant since they reflect a post-vaccination world.

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2/3 of Americans never got sick.

This is a Goebbels level lie.

Were never confirmed to have gotten sick?

I was using CDC's suspected cases (150,000,000), which is 150% of the confirmed cases.
Unless you think the estimate should be 400% of confirmed cases, but I can't really carry on a conversation if you're going to just make shit up.

This is about owning libs, not facts.

[B]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/29/well ... ticleShare

[Self]

goebbels level lie lol...jesus fucking christ, some people

[Matters]

2/3 of Americans never got sick.

This is a Goebbels level lie.

Were never confirmed to have gotten sick?

I was using CDC's suspected cases (150,000,000), which is 150% of the confirmed cases.
Unless you think the estimate should be 400% of confirmed cases, but I can't really carry on a conversation if you're going to just make shit up.

If I misread your statement, forgive me. Can anyone in their real world experience, as far as what they actually saw happen to everyone around them, believe that 2/3 of Americans never got sick from Covid?

[Matters]

This is about owning libs, not facts.

I am liberal on many issues. Forcing loss of employment to those unwilling to be injected with an unproven product is not liberal.