Dark Matter - Dynamic Range Rescue Project

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Re: Dark Matter - Dynamic Range Rescue Project

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Was doing some research on this because I find the compression too much to handle.

From what I've read...

The Atmos mixes on streaming services are lossy but the bluray rip is lossless.

The 7.1 mix from the bluray has a DR12, while the 2.0 mix has a DR5 (so much better dynamics on the 7.1 mix!). See spolier for details. Note these are not my measurements. I just found them on the internet.
Spoiler: show
7.1

foobar2000 2.0 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2024-08-09 19:48:20
Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Dark Matter
DR Peak RMS Duration Track

DR12 -6.06 dB -24.71 dB 4:23 01-Scared Of Fear
DR12 -6.64 dB -25.18 dB 3:31 02-React, Respond
DR12 -5.95 dB -24.73 dB 5:01 03-Wreckage
DR13 -4.96 dB -24.56 dB 3:31 04-Dark Matter
DR12 -5.12 dB -25.14 dB 3:29 05-Won’t Tell
DR12 -5.28 dB -25.27 dB 5:57 06-Upper Hand
DR12 -6.51 dB -24.98 dB 5:41 07-Waiting For Stevie
DR12 -6.95 dB -24.88 dB 2:19 08-Running
DR13 -4.17 dB -24.67 dB 4:07 09-Something Special
DR11 -6.85 dB -25.39 dB 4:37 10-Got To Give
DR12 -4.35 dB -25.20 dB 5:44 11-Setting Sun

Number of tracks: 11
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate: 48000 Hz
Channels: 8
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 3487 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================
STEREO

foobar2000 2.0 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2024-08-09 19:48:28
Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Dark Matter
DR Peak RMS Duration Track

DR5 -14.00 dB -19.65 dB 4:24 01-Scared Of Fear
DR5 -14.00 dB -19.96 dB 3:31 02-React, Respond
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.44 dB 5:01 03-Wreckage
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.15 dB 3:31 04-Dark Matter
DR5 -14.10 dB -19.67 dB 3:29 05-Won’t Tell
DR5 -14.00 dB -21.47 dB 5:57 06-Upper Hand
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.04 dB 5:41 07-Waiting For Stevie
DR5 -14.11 dB -19.77 dB 2:19 08-Running
DR6 -14.00 dB -20.69 dB 4:07 09-Something Special
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.14 dB 4:37 10-Got To Give
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.47 dB 5:44 11-Setting Sun

Number of tracks: 11
Official DR value: DR5

Samplerate: 48000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 1536 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================
So you could take the 7.1 mix from the bluray and use the downmix tables from this website, which are based on the AC-3 standards, to create a more dynamic 2.0 mix.
https://www.audiokinetic.com/en/library ... tbl_stereo

Anyone know if that would work?
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pearl jam sucks now
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tragabigzanda wrote: Waiting For Stevie sounds great until the guitar solo doesn't appear at all.
just like the radio edit
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I do like the album overall but agree with a lot of the production concerns. I miss the Binaural Riot Act production sound.
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Re: Dark Matter - Dynamic Range Rescue Project

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Tim wrote:Was doing some research on this because I find the compression too much to handle.

From what I've read...

The Atmos mixes on streaming services are lossy but the bluray rip is lossless.

The 7.1 mix from the bluray has a DR12, while the 2.0 mix has a DR5 (so much better dynamics on the 7.1 mix!). See spolier for details. Note these are not my measurements. I just found them on the internet.
Spoiler: show
7.1

foobar2000 2.0 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2024-08-09 19:48:20
Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Dark Matter
DR Peak RMS Duration Track

DR12 -6.06 dB -24.71 dB 4:23 01-Scared Of Fear
DR12 -6.64 dB -25.18 dB 3:31 02-React, Respond
DR12 -5.95 dB -24.73 dB 5:01 03-Wreckage
DR13 -4.96 dB -24.56 dB 3:31 04-Dark Matter
DR12 -5.12 dB -25.14 dB 3:29 05-Won’t Tell
DR12 -5.28 dB -25.27 dB 5:57 06-Upper Hand
DR12 -6.51 dB -24.98 dB 5:41 07-Waiting For Stevie
DR12 -6.95 dB -24.88 dB 2:19 08-Running
DR13 -4.17 dB -24.67 dB 4:07 09-Something Special
DR11 -6.85 dB -25.39 dB 4:37 10-Got To Give
DR12 -4.35 dB -25.20 dB 5:44 11-Setting Sun

Number of tracks: 11
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate: 48000 Hz
Channels: 8
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 3487 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================
STEREO

foobar2000 2.0 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2024-08-09 19:48:28
Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Dark Matter
DR Peak RMS Duration Track

DR5 -14.00 dB -19.65 dB 4:24 01-Scared Of Fear
DR5 -14.00 dB -19.96 dB 3:31 02-React, Respond
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.44 dB 5:01 03-Wreckage
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.15 dB 3:31 04-Dark Matter
DR5 -14.10 dB -19.67 dB 3:29 05-Won’t Tell
DR5 -14.00 dB -21.47 dB 5:57 06-Upper Hand
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.04 dB 5:41 07-Waiting For Stevie
DR5 -14.11 dB -19.77 dB 2:19 08-Running
DR6 -14.00 dB -20.69 dB 4:07 09-Something Special
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.14 dB 4:37 10-Got To Give
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.47 dB 5:44 11-Setting Sun

Number of tracks: 11
Official DR value: DR5

Samplerate: 48000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 1536 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================
So you could take the 7.1 mix from the bluray and use the downmix tables from this website, which are based on the AC-3 standards, to create a more dynamic 2.0 mix.
https://www.audiokinetic.com/en/library ... tbl_stereo

Anyone know if that would work?
http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtop ... 2#p2167412
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Sloppy Dupree wrote:I do like the album overall but agree with a lot of the production concerns. I miss the Binaural Riot Act production sound.
Funny, while I enjoy many of the tracks on those records, I see deep flaws in the production. It's a bit muddy and muted for my liking. Also - turn the guitars up - you're a rock band. Avocado could have been good, but the production sounds very thin. This record should have been YUGE and blown us out of our seats.

Give me Vs/Vitalogy/Yield type production. Crisp, loud distorted guitars that don't break up. Yield has a warmer feel than the other two, but I like the way the songs SOUND on these records.
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Re: Dark Matter - Dynamic Range Rescue Project

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ridleybradout wrote:
Tim wrote:Was doing some research on this because I find the compression too much to handle.

From what I've read...

The Atmos mixes on streaming services are lossy but the bluray rip is lossless.

The 7.1 mix from the bluray has a DR12, while the 2.0 mix has a DR5 (so much better dynamics on the 7.1 mix!). See spolier for details. Note these are not my measurements. I just found them on the internet.
Spoiler: show
7.1

foobar2000 2.0 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2024-08-09 19:48:20
Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Dark Matter
DR Peak RMS Duration Track

DR12 -6.06 dB -24.71 dB 4:23 01-Scared Of Fear
DR12 -6.64 dB -25.18 dB 3:31 02-React, Respond
DR12 -5.95 dB -24.73 dB 5:01 03-Wreckage
DR13 -4.96 dB -24.56 dB 3:31 04-Dark Matter
DR12 -5.12 dB -25.14 dB 3:29 05-Won’t Tell
DR12 -5.28 dB -25.27 dB 5:57 06-Upper Hand
DR12 -6.51 dB -24.98 dB 5:41 07-Waiting For Stevie
DR12 -6.95 dB -24.88 dB 2:19 08-Running
DR13 -4.17 dB -24.67 dB 4:07 09-Something Special
DR11 -6.85 dB -25.39 dB 4:37 10-Got To Give
DR12 -4.35 dB -25.20 dB 5:44 11-Setting Sun

Number of tracks: 11
Official DR value: DR12

Samplerate: 48000 Hz
Channels: 8
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 3487 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================
STEREO

foobar2000 2.0 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2024-08-09 19:48:28
Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Dark Matter
DR Peak RMS Duration Track

DR5 -14.00 dB -19.65 dB 4:24 01-Scared Of Fear
DR5 -14.00 dB -19.96 dB 3:31 02-React, Respond
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.44 dB 5:01 03-Wreckage
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.15 dB 3:31 04-Dark Matter
DR5 -14.10 dB -19.67 dB 3:29 05-Won’t Tell
DR5 -14.00 dB -21.47 dB 5:57 06-Upper Hand
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.04 dB 5:41 07-Waiting For Stevie
DR5 -14.11 dB -19.77 dB 2:19 08-Running
DR6 -14.00 dB -20.69 dB 4:07 09-Something Special
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.14 dB 4:37 10-Got To Give
DR5 -14.00 dB -20.47 dB 5:44 11-Setting Sun

Number of tracks: 11
Official DR value: DR5

Samplerate: 48000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 1536 kbps
Codec: FLAC
================================================================================
So you could take the 7.1 mix from the bluray and use the downmix tables from this website, which are based on the AC-3 standards, to create a more dynamic 2.0 mix.
https://www.audiokinetic.com/en/library ... tbl_stereo

Anyone know if that would work?
http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtop ... 2#p2167412
Thanks for the heads up!
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RIP Trag Mix
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RIP Trag podcast
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CCKaraoke wrote:?
A good friend of the board who just went loco. We have decided as a community to remember the good stuff.
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VinylGuy wrote:
CCKaraoke wrote:?
A good friend of the board who just went loco. We have decided as a community to remember the good stuff.
Is the RIP facetious or did we actually lose him? I hope it's the former... We had a couple good spars when DM came out.
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Aunt_Claire_Foy wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
CCKaraoke wrote:?
A good friend of the board who just went loco. We have decided as a community to remember the good stuff.
Is the RIP facetious or did we actually lose him? I hope it's the former... We had a couple good spars when DM came out.
I can confirm that he is alive and kicking!
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but evidently not "kicking out the jams", so to speak
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or finishing this project
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You don’t know that. He may have finished it months ago. He’s just not been here to share it.
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yeah, that sounds like Trag actually.

I imagine him listening to it screaming stuff like ¨i won!!¨ ¨yes i knew it!¨ at 3am
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