Israel & Palestine

[E.H. Ruddock]

Awfully quiet in here …

This peace deal seems to be going great, eh bammer?

[B]

Ceasefire does not equal peace deal.

[Anders]

https://time.com/7325450/trump-and-medi ... nanswered/

Trump and World Leaders Sign ‘Enduring Peace’ Pact Aimed at Ending Gaza War

Here is the proposed peace-deal:

1. Gaza will be a deradicalised terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours.

2. Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.

3. If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended, and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal.

4. Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned.

5. Once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1,700 Gazans who were detained after 7 October 2023, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans.

6. Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

7. Upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. At a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the 19 January 2025 agreement regarding humanitarian aid, including rehabilitation of infrastructure (water, electricity, sewage), rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, and entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads.

8. Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any manner with either party. Opening the Rafah crossing in both directions will be subject to the same mechanism implemented under 19 January 2025 agreement.

9. Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the "Board of Peace," which will be headed and chaired by President Donald J. Trump, with other members and heads of state to be announced, including Former Prime Minister Tony Blair. This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform programme, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump's peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza. This body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment.

10. A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energise Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesize the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza.

11. A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries.

12. No one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza.

13. Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarisation of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration programme all verified by the independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with their neighbours.

14. A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas, and the factions, comply with their obligations and that New Gaza poses no threat to its neighbours or its people.

15. The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary International Stabilisation Force (ISF) to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive experience in this field. This force will be the long-term internal security solution. The ISF will work with Israel and Egypt to help secure border areas, along with newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalize Gaza. A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.

16. Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon between the IDF, ISF, the guarantors, and the United States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the transitional authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.

17. In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.

18. An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful co-existence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace.

19. While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

20. The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous co-existence.

[B]

Start polishing off that Nobel.

[Higgs]

[Stickman]

So the IDF killed some of the hostages so they wouldn't have to negotiate for them.

[Anders]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-19-2025/

«Terror operatives attack Israeli troops in Rafah, IDF responds with airstrikes, shaking ceasefire.»

[E.H. Ruddock]

Where’s bammer with his peaceful president boasting

[B]

Where’s bammer with his peaceful president boasting

He was on his way to consult with the Nobel committee, but he got stuck in some traffic caused by a MAGA nut shooting up the No Kings protest.

[Anders]

«Netanyahu says Israel dropped 153 tonnes of bombs on Gaza on October 19
Israel said that it had launched a wave of air strikes against targets in Gaza after two of its soldiers were killed in an attack by Hamas; the Palestinian group denied any knowledge of the attack.»

[Stickman]

Israel Violates Ceasefire with Massive Strikes on Gaza

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered a new wave of airstrikes across the Gaza Strip, shattering the fragile U.S.-brokered ceasefire. The strikes, described by witnesses as some of the heaviest in weeks, targeted densely populated areas including neighbourhoods near hospitals and refugee camps. “Eyewitnesses described the strike as massive. We are in an area about 20 minutes away, and we could hear it from here,” one resident said. “The attack caused a state of mayhem and panic among patients and medical staff inside the hospital.”

The renewed bombardment has drawn outrage across Gaza, where civilians already face catastrophic shortages of food, fuel, and medical supplies. Aid groups report that ambulances struggled to reach the wounded as Israeli warplanes continued to circle overhead. By resuming attacks under the pretext of “retaliation,” Israel has once again violated international law and the terms of the ceasefire it publicly committed to uphold. For many Palestinians, this latest escalation is yet another reminder that their suffering is not the result of isolated military actions, but of a deliberate campaign to make life in Gaza unlivable.

[B]

They paused. Now they’ve resumed it.

[The Argonaut]

That's not how a ceasefire. Israel can't just turn it off and on at will

[Ello Sailor]

That's not how a ceasefire. Israel can't just turn it off and on at will

Good post.

[The Argonaut]

I forgot a word

[B]

That's not how a ceasefire works. Israel can't just turn it off and on at will

I'm sure they only do that when they really, really want to.

[Stickman]

Israeli settlers have poured cement over water sources used by Palestinians in the West Bank. All of this is done to make life impossible for Palestinians and drive them off their land.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Lots of rumors flying around that Netanyahu is dead. I thought he had fled Israel though

[oasisfan35]

Lots of rumors flying around that Netanyahu is dead. I thought he had fled Israel though

DO NOT tease me Ruddo!

[lennytheweedwhacker]

Where is Bammer?