MC2-15: Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Post by **stip** » Thu April 02, 2026 1:52 am

Setting Sun vs. Help Help

Post by **stip** » Thu April 02, 2026 1:52 am

setting sun is one of pearl jam's best songs. Help help is not. It is better live, though

Birds in Hell · Post by **Birds in Hell** » Thu April 02, 2026 2:36 am

Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)

Congratulations Help Help on a victory by default

Matters · Post by **Matters** » Thu April 02, 2026 3:22 am

Help Help is definitely one of Pearl Jam’s best songs. Damn this is a tough one.

Matters · Post by **Matters** » Thu April 02, 2026 3:23 am

Birds in Hell wrote:Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)

Do you hold Crazy Mary and Army Reserve to the same standard?

lvc · Post by **lvc** » Thu April 02, 2026 10:50 am

Matters wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)
Do you hold Crazy Mary and Army Reserve to the same standard?

What’s this about army reserve? I’d never heard of a co-authorship.

Birds in Hell · Post by **Birds in Hell** » Thu April 02, 2026 10:51 am

Matters wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)
Do you hold Crazy Mary and Army Reserve to the same standard?

Neither is really comparable, in my mind at least.

Crazy Mary is a cover.

Army Reserve has some lyrics contributed by someone outside the band, which is hard to get worked up about.

Birds in Hell · Post by **Birds in Hell** » Thu April 02, 2026 10:54 am

lvc wrote:
Matters wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)
Do you hold Crazy Mary and Army Reserve to the same standard?
What’s this about army reserve? I’d never heard of a co-authorship.

Damien Echols co-wrote the lyrics with Ed.

Jaeti · Post by **Jaeti** » Thu April 02, 2026 1:05 pm

Help Help would probably be on my personal underrated/hidden gem/whatever list. I've always liked it, it's very good, and I don't think of it very often, so there's no fatigue or boredom associated with it. But Setting Sun is just better.

Post by **epilogue** » Thu April 02, 2026 1:09 pm

I like both but this isn't a contest.

Help Help is an all-timer.

lvc · Post by **lvc** » Thu April 02, 2026 3:47 pm

Birds in Hell wrote:
lvc wrote:
Matters wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:Setting Sun unfortunately disqualified due to Wotman’s co-authorship (applying the BiH rulebook)
Do you hold Crazy Mary and Army Reserve to the same standard?
What’s this about army reserve? I’d never heard of a co-authorship.
Damien Echols co-wrote the lyrics with Ed.

By that measure you’d have to disqualify smile because someone else drew the crooked hearts with swirls all around.

Post by **stip** » Fri April 03, 2026 1:58 am

help help wins because RM is fucking terrible sometimes

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