TV: The Leftovers (HBO)

[daft twat]

Just watched the series finale of this and the Shrinking season 3 finale (which was also the originally intended series finale) back-to-back tonight.

I don’t believe Nora. Why would anyone except Kevin? It’s batshit crazy. Like Kevin being a messiah. Or Jesus. Or the idea that everything happens for a reason. Camus goes too far with absurdism, I think. That puts us on the same level as animals. But we reason, ponder our existence, have fucking anxiety. We need to make stories up and pursue our meaning even if it’s personal and the universe is meaningless. Existentialism it is, then. At least for me.

Then I watched Shrinking and saw Jimmy, who had “senselessly” lost his wife, sitting in his underwear the morning after his daughter left for college, and that fucking hit me hard. Because my story, my meaning is wrapped tightly around being a father, and when they leave the house, the nest will not be the only empty thing.

[Mecca]

Anything is on the table in a world where the sudden departure happens

[epilogue]

I don’t believe Nora.

BOOOOOOO!

[Simple Torture]

I came around during my second watch from “Wow that’s a fun bit of ambiguity that’s thematically relevant” to “Of course it’s true, and if it’s not I’m going to fucking kill myself.”

I don’t remember if I’ve mentioned it in this thread, but if there really is a sideways dimension where all those people went then it makes Laurie’s fetus disappearing really fucking dark.

[epilogue]

I came around during my second watch from “Wow that’s a fun bit of ambiguity that’s thematically relevant” to “Of course it’s true, and if it’s not I’m going to fucking kill myself.”

My man

[Jorge]

It's more interesting if it's a coping fantasy IMO. That's my interpretation

[Mecca]

But as a commentary on faith, it doesn’t matter if it actually happened or not if he truly loves her and it quite obvious that they do.

[epilogue]

It's more interesting if it's a coping fantasy IMO. That's my interpretation

On a primal level, I can't understand that.

But that's only because it's the opposite for me. But, like we've talked about before, the genius of the monologue is that it's not certain and we can all bring our own shit to it. It can work for each of us on an individual level, and that's fucking awesome.

[epilogue]

But as a commentary on faith, it doesn’t matter if it actually happened or not if he truly loves her and it quite obvious that they do.

epilogue post

[Jorge]

It's more interesting if it's a coping fantasy IMO. That's my interpretation

On a primal level, I can't understand that.

But that's only because it's the opposite for me. But, like we've talked about before, the genius of the monologue is that it's not certain and we can all bring our own shit to it. It can work for each of us on an individual level, and that's fucking awesome.

I agree on the second part. For me it just nicely underlines the thematic core of the series which is the lengths we go through to cope with terrible truths. That guides everything the characters do; from forming or joining cults to Nora hiring a sex workers to shoot her to hiring psychics to attending furry orgies. It's like a nice little button on that, and it'd be a bummer to lose it

But as a commentary on faith, it doesn’t matter if it actually happened or not if he truly loves her and it quite obvious that they do.

Sure but I'm not talking about whether he believes her

[Mecca]

But as a commentary on faith, it doesn’t matter if it actually happened or not if he truly loves her and it quite obvious that they do.

epilogue post

We fucked up with Norah

[epilogue]

But as a commentary on faith, it doesn’t matter if it actually happened or not if he truly loves her and it quite obvious that they do.

epilogue post

We fucked up with Norah

washing machine post

[Mecca]

It's more interesting if it's a coping fantasy IMO. That's my interpretation

On a primal level, I can't understand that.

But that's only because it's the opposite for me. But, like we've talked about before, the genius of the monologue is that it's not certain and we can all bring our own shit to it. It can work for each of us on an individual level, and that's fucking awesome.

I agree on the second part. For me it just nicely underlines the thematic core of the series which is the lengths we go through to cope with terrible truths. That guides everything the characters do; from forming or joining cults to Nora hiring a sex workers to shoot her to hiring psychics to attending furry orgies. It's like a nice little button on that, and it'd be a bummer to lose it

But as a commentary on faith, it doesn’t matter if it actually happened or not if he truly loves her and it quite obvious that they do.

Sure but I'm not talking about whether he believes her

Yup. It wasn’t a refutation of what you said; I just want to fast track dt to what we all got to back when epilogue was dct

[Mecca]

But as a commentary on faith, it doesn’t matter if it actually happened or not if he truly loves her and it quite obvious that they do.

epilogue post

We fucked up with Norah

washing machine post

*Laura