The Beautiful Game (The All Inclusive Soccer Thread)

[Ello Sailor]

Well what the fuck am I meant to do with this? Fuck you, France.

[Ello Sailor]

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Vamos España!

You may be yet another colonizing empire (like every country left except Argentina), but you're my colonizing empire

Long time listener, first time caller...

Argentina may be the least colonizing empire left, but are they the most outwardly racist team left?

Asking for a friend, I'll take my answer off air.

haha jesus christ, too much social media

Argentina as a country doesn't want to be "latin" and wants to be "European" according to many public comments. Then there's the whole Nazi sympathizer thing in the past, and then there was that whole seriously racist chant that the team did on social media for all to see and then there were the videos of fans literally making fun of Black fans like they were monkeys, but yeah, you're right... the guy who only still Instagram is infected by too much social media.

GO MESSI THE GOD OF ALL GODS.

But seriously, America is probably more racist than anywhere else (especially the remaining WC countries --- England? --- so what the fuck am I even talking about?!

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[VinylGuy]

so you edited the post i was replying...but still

Argentina as a country doesn't want to be "latin" and wants to be "European" according to many public comments.

Shows how little you know about the history of Argentina and Latin America.

[VinylGuy]

Spain is playing really well but they need one more goal to have it...France is still dangerous even if they seem super confused

[epilogue]

so you edited the post i was replying...but still

Argentina as a country doesn't want to be "latin" and wants to be "European" according to many public comments.

Shows how little you know about the history of Argentina and Latin America.

I don't know shit about Argentina. We've had this conversation before! You don't shit about he USA and I don't know shit about Argentina when it comes to this stuff. No news, buddy.

[Jorge]

Vamos España!

You may be yet another colonizing empire (like every country left except Argentina), but you're my colonizing empire

Long time listener, first time caller...

Argentina may be the least colonizing empire left, but are they the most outwardly racist team left?

Asking for a friend, I'll take my answer off air.

Are you asking about the players or the people as a whole? Because I can only really speak on one of those

I was referencing the team and the fan controversy's of the past while also referencing TD's post to me earlier about how terrible Mexico's fan's chants are, and also referencing Argentina as a Nazi "escape" country. But I was not referencing the people of Argentina. That's why I phrased it as a "American Sports radio call-in show."

Which, I'm realizing now may not translate to other cultures and makes me look like a dick.

Well, to address the Argentine people as a whole, I think there is racism in Argentina much in the same way there is in other places, I don't think they're free from that charge. I think a lot of ugly stuff (including some of those chants) gets excused as "football culture" when they would be better interrogated. But I don't think Argentina is a country of virulent racists and the current hate campaign against them is a lot of misrepresentation backed by a lot of cherry-picked history to fit a narrative. It's especially upsetting because the country has been a civil rights leader in the region for a long time, though right now they're under a reactionary government [like much of Latin America is].

The Nazi haven thing is severely overstated; estimates suggest that considerably more former Nazis and suspected Nazi war criminals settled in or were recruited by the United States than ended up in Argentina (your government imported and employed them). Many German refugees who arrived in Argentina during the Nazi period were fleeing persecution, while only a relatively small portion were suspected Nazi criminals. I understand that it's a big meme and it's almost impossible to fight it.

I don't know about the controversies but I have seen some fans saying some racist shit. It's indefensible but if it helps I will say that most Argentines who have the kind of money to attend these games probably kinda suck (don't quote me on that!)

[VinylGuy]

so you edited the post i was replying...but still

Argentina as a country doesn't want to be "latin" and wants to be "European" according to many public comments.

Shows how little you know about the history of Argentina and Latin America.

I don't know shit about Argentina. We've had this conversation before! You don't shit about he USA and I don't know shit about Argentina when it comes to this stuff. No news, buddy.

I dont remember having it, but let me tell you, i know a lot more about usa than you know about argentina and latam for sure

[Jorge]

Argentina as a country doesn't want to be "latin" and wants to be "European" according to many public comments. Then there's the whole Nazi sympathizer thing in the past, and then there was that whole seriously racist chant that the team did on social media for all to see and then there were the videos of fans literally making fun of Black fans like they were monkeys, but yeah, you're right... the guy who only still Instagram is infected by too much social media.

Yeah these people definitely exist in a not-insignificant number but the main reason they make it to your algorithm is because they are quoted and rightly decried by the more sensible people, so it spreads. To take them as any sort of representation is like taking Nick Fuentes followers or Andrew Tate followers as representative of the US, know what I mean?

[epilogue]

That makes sense and it honestly feels like a fair representation of what little I do see in my algorithm (such as it is). Thank you for reaching out and I certainly don't want anyone to think that I'm saying the Argentinian people as a whole are racist or terrible or whatever. There's context to all of this and I was trying to be funny as regarding previous posts made at/to me while also understanding that as a US citizen, I don't really have a leg to stand on.

It was supposed to be honest, good faith, good natured banter about the World Cup. I'm just bad at the internet ( as you know ).

[epilogue]

so you edited the post i was replying...but still

Argentina as a country doesn't want to be "latin" and wants to be "European" according to many public comments.

Shows how little you know about the history of Argentina and Latin America.

I don't know shit about Argentina. We've had this conversation before! You don't shit about he USA and I don't know shit about Argentina when it comes to this stuff. No news, buddy.

I dont remember having it, but let me tell you, i know a lot more about usa than you know about argentina and latam for sure

Sure. Whatever you say.

[VinylGuy]

7 minutes left

France seems lost

[VinylGuy]

so you edited the post i was replying...but still

Argentina as a country doesn't want to be "latin" and wants to be "European" according to many public comments.

Shows how little you know about the history of Argentina and Latin America.

I don't know shit about Argentina. We've had this conversation before! You don't shit about he USA and I don't know shit about Argentina when it comes to this stuff. No news, buddy.

I dont remember having it, but let me tell you, i know a lot more about usa than you know about argentina and latam for sure

Sure. Whatever you say.

wtf dude leave me alone

[Ello Sailor]

I can't believe it. ARG homies are gonna be doing backflips.

[Ello Sailor]

Fucking SPAIN!?

[Jorge]

That makes sense and it honestly feels like a fair representation of what little I do see in my algorithm (such as it is). Thank you for reaching out and I certainly don't want anyone to think that I'm saying the Argentinian people as a whole a racist or whatever. There's context to all of this and I was trying to be funny as regarding previous posts made at/to me while also understanding that as a US citizen I don't really have a leg to stand on.

It was supposed to be honest, good faith, good natured banter about the World Cup. I'm just bad at the internet ( as you know ).

I understand and I may be a little touchy about this but I love this country so much, and that whole thing has been relentless for several weeks. Two-bit Influencers making "here's why you should hate Argentina" content because they know it'll do numbers. The people I know who live here find it confusing and sad

[VinylGuy]

I can't believe it. ARG homies are gonna be doing backflips.

I thought Mbappe had it, but nope

[Jorge]

They really seemed unstoppable until now

[VinylGuy]

They were never in game i guess? after the penalty they just disappeared

[Ello Sailor]

I'm in disbelief tbh.

[VinylGuy]

Mbappe go home!!!

terrible year for this dude