Poontang wrote:Well not to get in the way of the merch collector's item bashing, but if these 7" singles are 45rpm records then it can be argued that they are higher fidelity/better quality than the 33rpm 12" vinyl LP. But of course it doesn't say on the sales site what rpm they are so it seems audiophiles aren't their target buyer.
45 is better quality than 33?
Smaller/tighter grooves ? Or what?
Basically more data is contained in the sound wave pressed onto the record.
However, tighter grooves dissipate the bass some (less room to breathe), which is why a lot of dance club singles are on a 12" record spun at 45 RPM.
harmless wrote:I guess I just feel that, at the moment, we're getting a vaguely OK album every four years. But the number of merch products being released is pretty much through the roof. Is the amount of superfluous crap actually proportional to the amount of new music being released? I don't think so.
They obviously have a fanbase that is into that stuff.
harmless wrote:I guess I just feel that, at the moment, we're getting a vaguely OK album every four years. But the number of merch products being released is pretty much through the roof. Is the amount of superfluous crap actually proportional to the amount of new music being released? I don't think so.
They obviously have a fanbase that is into that stuff.
Maybe. But what comes first, supply or demand? The kind of person who will buy anything you throw at them still won't buy what you don't produce. I guess it's about creating the demand and then milking it; but if "product" can be defined, it's something that you convince people they need, which they didn't need 5 minutes ago.
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harmless wrote:I guess I just feel that, at the moment, we're getting a vaguely OK album every four years. But the number of merch products being released is pretty much through the roof. Is the amount of superfluous crap actually proportional to the amount of new music being released? I don't think so.
They obviously have a fanbase that is into that stuff.
Maybe. But what comes first, supply or demand? The kind of person who will buy anything you throw at them still won't buy what you don't produce. I guess it's about creating the demand and then milking it; but if "product" can be defined, it's something that you convince people they need, which they didn't need 5 minutes ago.
I agree with all of this but my impression is that the demand was there to begin with. The "milking" part of this thing was not giving any notice of it before it went on sell. I mean they clearly didn't mind their manners here.
Poontang wrote:Well not to get in the way of the merch collector's item bashing, but if these 7" singles are 45rpm records then it can be argued that they are higher fidelity/better quality than the 33rpm 12" vinyl LP. But of course it doesn't say on the sales site what rpm they are so it seems audiophiles aren't their target buyer.
45 is better quality than 33?
Smaller/tighter grooves ? Or what?
Actually they're stretched out and there are more grooves, so the information is spread out over more record surface.
harmless wrote:I guess I just feel that, at the moment, we're getting a vaguely OK album every four years. But the number of merch products being released is pretty much through the roof. Is the amount of superfluous crap actually proportional to the amount of new music being released? I don't think so.
They obviously have a fanbase that is into that stuff.
Maybe. But what comes first, supply or demand? The kind of person who will buy anything you throw at them still won't buy what you don't produce. I guess it's about creating the demand and then milking it; but if "product" can be defined, it's something that you convince people they need, which they didn't need 5 minutes ago.
I agree with all of this but my impression is that the demand was there to begin with. The "milking" part of this thing was not giving any notice of it before it went on sell. I mean they clearly didn't mind their manners here.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
Poontang wrote:Well not to get in the way of the merch collector's item bashing, but if these 7" singles are 45rpm records then it can be argued that they are higher fidelity/better quality than the 33rpm 12" vinyl LP. But of course it doesn't say on the sales site what rpm they are so it seems audiophiles aren't their target buyer.
45 is better quality than 33?
Smaller/tighter grooves ? Or what?
Actually they're stretched out and there are more grooves, so the information is spread out over more record surface.
That's what I was getting at. Does that mean they sound better?
Poontang wrote:Well not to get in the way of the merch collector's item bashing, but if these 7" singles are 45rpm records then it can be argued that they are higher fidelity/better quality than the 33rpm 12" vinyl LP. But of course it doesn't say on the sales site what rpm they are so it seems audiophiles aren't their target buyer.
45 is better quality than 33?
Smaller/tighter grooves ? Or what?
Actually they're stretched out and there are more grooves, so the information is spread out over more record surface.
That's what I was getting at. Does that mean they sound better?
Or do at least in theory
In theory.. But more grooves doesn't make a poor recording sound better though
harmless wrote:I guess I just feel that, at the moment, we're getting a vaguely OK album every four years. But the number of merch products being released is pretty much through the roof. Is the amount of superfluous crap actually proportional to the amount of new music being released? I don't think so.
They obviously have a fanbase that is into that stuff.
Maybe. But what comes first, supply or demand? The kind of person who will buy anything you throw at them still won't buy what you don't produce. I guess it's about creating the demand and then milking it; but if "product" can be defined, it's something that you convince people they need, which they didn't need 5 minutes ago.
I agree with all of this but my impression is that the demand was there to begin with. The "milking" part of this thing was not giving any notice of it before it went on sell. I mean they clearly didn't mind their manners here.
"Fandom was present," as a reason to create inconsequential collectable product, is not a logic worth defending...even if you like collecting, and bought this "realistic motion" collectible Darth Lightning figurine, you at least have the imagination to recognize that something immeasurably cooler could have been done with very minimal effort.
Poontang wrote:Well not to get in the way of the merch collector's item bashing, but if these 7" singles are 45rpm records then it can be argued that they are higher fidelity/better quality than the 33rpm 12" vinyl LP. But of course it doesn't say on the sales site what rpm they are so it seems audiophiles aren't their target buyer.
45 is better quality than 33?
Smaller/tighter grooves ? Or what?
Actually they're stretched out and there are more grooves, so the information is spread out over more record surface.
That's what I was getting at. Does that mean they sound better?
Or do at least in theory
In theory.. But more grooves doesn't make a poor recording sound better though
I was thinking wider ones would. As in with an LP.
Poontang wrote:Well not to get in the way of the merch collector's item bashing, but if these 7" singles are 45rpm records then it can be argued that they are higher fidelity/better quality than the 33rpm 12" vinyl LP. But of course it doesn't say on the sales site what rpm they are so it seems audiophiles aren't their target buyer.
45 is better quality than 33?
Smaller/tighter grooves ? Or what?
Actually they're stretched out and there are more grooves, so the information is spread out over more record surface.
That's what I was getting at. Does that mean they sound better?
Or do at least in theory
In theory.. But more grooves doesn't make a poor recording sound better though
I was thinking wider ones would. As in with an LP.
a lot of people these days just slap digitally compressed recordings onto vinyl and call it a day, sadly. of course there are many current exceptions. but the general idea that "vinyl sounds better" isn't a complete blanket statement. the way some vinyls are made, it's like taking a 192 kb/s mp3 and burning it to cd and also creating a 7" from it.... and then saying the 7" sounds better.
harmless wrote:I guess I just feel that, at the moment, we're getting a vaguely OK album every four years. But the number of merch products being released is pretty much through the roof. Is the amount of superfluous crap actually proportional to the amount of new music being released? I don't think so.
They obviously have a fanbase that is into that stuff.
Maybe. But what comes first, supply or demand? The kind of person who will buy anything you throw at them still won't buy what you don't produce. I guess it's about creating the demand and then milking it; but if "product" can be defined, it's something that you convince people they need, which they didn't need 5 minutes ago.
I agree with all of this but my impression is that the demand was there to begin with. The "milking" part of this thing was not giving any notice of it before it went on sell. I mean they clearly didn't mind their manners here.
"Fandom was present," as a reason to create inconsequential collectable product, is not a logic worth defending...even if you like collecting, and bought this "realistic motion" collectible Darth Lightning figurine, you at least have the imagination to recognize that something immeasurably cooler could have been done with very minimal effort.
Of course. I was thinking about the merch in general there though.
Well to tell you the truth I'm not that familiar with their current merchandising assortment to know how cool it is or it isn't but as far as i remember the 10C member/message pit regular poster kind of fan has usually one complaint about it - not enough.
Poontang wrote:Well not to get in the way of the merch collector's item bashing, but if these 7" singles are 45rpm records then it can be argued that they are higher fidelity/better quality than the 33rpm 12" vinyl LP. But of course it doesn't say on the sales site what rpm they are so it seems audiophiles aren't their target buyer.
45 is better quality than 33?
Smaller/tighter grooves ? Or what?
Actually they're stretched out and there are more grooves, so the information is spread out over more record surface.
That's what I was getting at. Does that mean they sound better?
Or do at least in theory
In theory.. But more grooves doesn't make a poor recording sound better though
So... will this officially make Lightning Bolt... Pearl Jam's grooviest album?
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Poontang wrote:Well not to get in the way of the merch collector's item bashing, but if these 7" singles are 45rpm records then it can be argued that they are higher fidelity/better quality than the 33rpm 12" vinyl LP. But of course it doesn't say on the sales site what rpm they are so it seems audiophiles aren't their target buyer.
45 is better quality than 33?
Smaller/tighter grooves ? Or what?
Actually they're stretched out and there are more grooves, so the information is spread out over more record surface.
That's what I was getting at. Does that mean they sound better?
Or do at least in theory
In theory.. But more grooves doesn't make a poor recording sound better though
So... will this officially make Lightning Bolt... Pearl Jam's grooviest album?
Whether it was necessary to release or not, I thought it looked like a cool thing to have in my collection (the only PJ merch I buy anymore is records) and mentioned it to my wife as a gift idea. So we clicked to see what it cost and it was already sold out. A bit of a disappointment, but it happens and that's fine. But I am getting tired of this:
Seems like any time anyone releases something limited, it disappears from regular price fast and reappears equally fast at a new market price. I know it's naive, but I think it's nice when the people who make the initial purchase actually are excited about the product.
delanoche wrote:Whether it was necessary to release or not, I thought it looked like a cool thing to have in my collection (the only PJ merch I buy anymore is records) and mentioned it to my wife as a gift idea. So we clicked to see what it cost and it was already sold out. A bit of a disappointment, but it happens and that's fine. But I am getting tired of this:
Seems like any time anyone releases something limited, it disappears from regular price fast and reappears equally fast at a new market price. I know it's naive, but I think it's nice when the people who make the initial purchase actually are excited about the product.
I would seriously like to murder the person who did this
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delanoche wrote:Whether it was necessary to release or not, I thought it looked like a cool thing to have in my collection (the only PJ merch I buy anymore is records) and mentioned it to my wife as a gift idea. So we clicked to see what it cost and it was already sold out. A bit of a disappointment, but it happens and that's fine. But I am getting tired of this:
Seems like any time anyone releases something limited, it disappears from regular price fast and reappears equally fast at a new market price. I know it's naive, but I think it's nice when the people who make the initial purchase actually are excited about the product.
I would seriously like to murder the person who did this
seriously. Would it have killed them to send an e-mail out to everyone before opening this up to ebay?
