Self Pollution Radio Videos are not during real broadcast?

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Self Pollution Radio Videos are not during real broadcast?

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OK, I registered for the forums specifically so I could bring up this point of discussion. I'm not trying to make an accusation or start a rumor, but I noticed something very strange after first listening to Self Pollution, and then watching the videos afterwards.

First, let me make sure I have the facts straight: (If someone could confirm that would be great)

1) Self Pollution Radio was broadcast on January 8, 1995, correct?

2) It started broadcasting at 7:30 PM? I figure this because 3 hours into the broadcast, Eddie says (paraphase) "It is 10:30. We said we would broadcast for 3 hours, but it looks like we're going to go over"

3) The sun set at 4:35pm on January 8 1995 in Seattle according to http://www.sunrisesunset.com/

4) Purportedly, during the Self Pollution Radio broadcast, the bands played in a "little house" which was owned by Vedder (Which I assume to not be his residence, but more like a location to practice).

(Note: When listening to the Self Pollution broadcast, I was unsure whether the "little house" was an actual house building, or some kind of indoor sound booth that looked like a house on the exterior. After analysis of the Self Pollution Radio videos and particularly this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJm7NXaThaU , it is definitely an actual house)

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Since we know the house is a real house outside, this means the light coming through the windows while they are playing must be sunlight and not artificial light.

As you can see during all of the Pearl Jam songs, there is light coming through the windows... Except the "First" one, which oddly enough is the only one where it is dark outside.

Pearl Jam set 1:
1 - spin the black circle (night)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4weOAfooTgA

2 - satan's bed (day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_RncNeqN1I

3 - corduroy (day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC9BpGcmdfc

4 - not for you (day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVlQ7KFWxk

5 - immortality
can't find a video of this one

Pearl Jam set 2:
1 - last exit
can't find a video of this one

2 - blood (day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTi1UDllSYo

3 - tremor christ (day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_G522BZLKo

4 - porch
can't find a video of this one

5 - indifference
can't find a video of this one


However, in the Soundgarden and Mad Season videos, it is night outside:

Soundgarden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bfKkKLuvPo

Mad Season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqbiVErUIxk

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Given that there is a lack of continuity in the videos, some are missing, and the fact that it -couldn't- have been light outside, my conclusion is that most or all of the videos of Pearl Jam online labeled as "Self Pollution radio" are more likely rehearsal sessions. Probably earlier on the same day as the broadcast. (Hopefully?)
Could it be that "Spin the black circle" is the only authentic video of the PJ broadcast?

Either that or the sets were pre-recorded. I hate to make that accusation though. They are/were good enough that they shouldn't have to do stuff like that. Has anyone ever compared the audio of the videos posted online to the actual broadcast?
If this were done, several things could be concluded:

1) If the audio from the online videos is different than the radio broadcast, then the sessions were different and very likely a rehearsal.

2) If the audio from the online videos is the same as the radio broadcast, then there are 2 solutions:

a) The audio from the radio broadcast was edited onto the practice sessions. Unlikely because there would be evident timing differences unless the band members were robots playing to a click track.

b) The sets were pre-recorded :(


Can anyone confirm/deny/hypothesize?

P.S.. I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I did a search and didn't find anything.
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Most of the videos are rehearsals. This is why there are also videos of them doing "Whipping" and "Catholic Boy" (the full song!) out there too from the same session. I suspect they shot some video of the sessions that day for some reason or another (maybe as a precursor to the tour film from the Pacific Rim tour that they scrapped?) and then had nothing to do with it. Somebody leaked those 5-6 years ago and the PJ camp got really pissed but they seemed to have mellowed out about that a bit.
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matt reeder wrote:Most of the videos are rehearsals. This is why there are also videos of them doing "Whipping" and "Catholic Boy" (the full song!) out there too from the same session. I suspect they shot some video of the sessions that day for some reason or another (maybe as a precursor to the tour film from the Pacific Rim tour that they scrapped?) and then had nothing to do with it. Somebody leaked those 5-6 years ago and the PJ camp got really pissed but they seemed to have mellowed out about that a bit.
Man whoever posted those on youtube/etc should really label those properly.
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organic io wrote:OK, I registered for the forums specifically so I could bring up this point of discussion. I'm not trying to make an accusation or start a rumor, but I noticed something very strange after first listening to Self Pollution, and then watching the videos afterwards.

First, let me make sure I have the facts straight: (If someone could confirm that would be great)

1) Self Pollution Radio was broadcast on January 8, 1995, correct?

2) It started broadcasting at 7:30 PM? I figure this because 3 hours into the broadcast, Eddie says (paraphase) "It is 10:30. We said we would broadcast for 3 hours, but it looks like we're going to go over"

3) The sun set at 4:35pm on January 8 1995 in Seattle according to http://www.sunrisesunset.com/

4) Purportedly, during the Self Pollution Radio broadcast, the bands played in a "little house" which was owned by Vedder (Which I assume to not be his residence, but more like a location to practice).

(Note: When listening to the Self Pollution broadcast, I was unsure whether the "little house" was an actual house building, or some kind of indoor sound booth that looked like a house on the exterior. After analysis of the Self Pollution Radio videos and particularly this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJm7NXaThaU , it is definitely an actual house)

--------------------

Since we know the house is a real house outside, this means the light coming through the windows while they are playing must be sunlight and not artificial light.

As you can see during all of the Pearl Jam songs, there is light coming through the windows... Except the "First" one, which oddly enough is the only one where it is dark outside.

Pearl Jam set 1:
1 - spin the black circle (night)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4weOAfooTgA

2 - satan's bed (day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_RncNeqN1I

3 - corduroy (day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC9BpGcmdfc

4 - not for you (day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONVlQ7KFWxk

5 - immortality
can't find a video of this one

Pearl Jam set 2:
1 - last exit
can't find a video of this one

2 - blood (day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTi1UDllSYo

3 - tremor christ (day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_G522BZLKo

4 - porch
can't find a video of this one

5 - indifference
can't find a video of this one


However, in the Soundgarden and Mad Season videos, it is night outside:

Soundgarden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bfKkKLuvPo

Mad Season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqbiVErUIxk

------------

Given that there is a lack of continuity in the videos, some are missing, and the fact that it -couldn't- have been light outside, my conclusion is that most or all of the videos of Pearl Jam online labeled as "Self Pollution radio" are more likely rehearsal sessions. Probably earlier on the same day as the broadcast. (Hopefully?)
Could it be that "Spin the black circle" is the only authentic video of the PJ broadcast?

Either that or the sets were pre-recorded. I hate to make that accusation though. They are/were good enough that they shouldn't have to do stuff like that. Has anyone ever compared the audio of the videos posted online to the actual broadcast?
If this were done, several things could be concluded:

1) If the audio from the online videos is different than the radio broadcast, then the sessions were different and very likely a rehearsal.

2) If the audio from the online videos is the same as the radio broadcast, then there are 2 solutions:

a) The audio from the radio broadcast was edited onto the practice sessions. Unlikely because there would be evident timing differences unless the band members were robots playing to a click track.

b) The sets were pre-recorded :(


Can anyone confirm/deny/hypothesize?

P.S.. I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I did a search and didn't find anything.
That was I thinking too. The Corduroy video from PJ20, confirms 2 sets though:

Set 1: Jeff wearing a WHITE t-shirt and Eddie wearing a beanie, there is light.
Set 2: Jeff wearing a DARK t-shirt and a cap, there is NO light.

VIDEOS (AUDIOS Broadcast)
Spin The Black Circle, Set 2 (but it's No.1 from Set 1 Broadcast)
Satan's Bed, Set 1
Not For You, Set 1
Blood, Set 1 (Eddie starts with a beanie and later Eddie appears without it)
Tremor Christ, Set 1 (Eddie without beanie)

VIDEOS (without broadcast)
Whipping, Set 1 (Eddie still with beanie, so it's before Blood)
Catholic Boy, Set 1 (Eddie without beanie, so it's after Blood)

AUDIOS from BROADCAST (without video)
Immortality (Set 1 from broadcast)
Jam (Set 2 from broadcast)
Last Exit (Set 2 from broadcast)
Porch (Set 2 from broadcast)
Indifference (Set 2 from broadcast)

** Special CASE **
Corduroy, it seems Set 2 (Jeff with a Dark t-shirt)
But then appears takes from Set 1 (maybe just video from previous set)
And it has an intro from MW 1998.

So, I think the actual sets are:

SET 1 (Jeff with WHITE t-shirt) 6 songs
Satan's Bed
Not For You
Whipping (I only assure is before Blood)
Blood
Tremor Christ
Catholic Boy (before or after Tremor)

SET 2 (Jeff with DARK t-shirt)
Jam (Pearl Jam without Eddie but Krist Novoselic)
Spin The Black Circle
Corduroy

(There is no actual video from the next songs:)
Immortality
Last Exit
Porch
Indifference
all you need is love
I got some if you need it
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