stupidmop wrote:I think this is the tech again. At the start.
ed might be an alcoholic.
I've been thinking this for a while.
Don't be stu-
Encore Break 1
(Ed tells a story about going to the doctor and being asked how much he drinks. He thinks initially that he only has a glass of wine or two every once in awhile. Then he thought well he has a couple of glasses of wine a day and some beer and then when he is working...
This next song is by a man I was lucky enough to share a few of bottles of wine with a few years ago. His name was Lou Reed)
Option one: Functioning alcoholic
Option two: Dumbass with the mindset of a teenager who likes to talk about how they're sooooo wasted all the time.
stupidmop wrote:The worst part of the hershey rant isnt that he tells her she should be voting or whatever, its that he implies that if she had bigger tits he'd be here for that. 03 ed would have linked anything back to voting, "i bought a sandwich earlier....you know if everyone who bought a sandwich voted blah blah blah'
Anywho, at the end of this he calls out madonna AND marky marky for dropping their pants to get attention, looking and sounding like a jackass while doing so but still.
I'm always surprised that people are surprised ed can be an asshole. Maybe cause i became a fan more recently, post-backspacer right in the middle of target-gate and therefore missed out on the hero worship portion of my fandom? Dudes not perfect.'I shit and i stink im real join the club'(a song in which he self righteously rants about models years before marying one and thereby proving the point that he isn't infact perfect), i'm not your fucking messiah etc etc.
Ed's always been a dick. I realized that when i was 13 years old. But that passion/anger/rage/ridiculousness/self righteousness is part of the passion that made the music so great and that drew me to the band. Its part of who he is and what makes/made him great. Most of us understood that and thus are not surprised at his antics. But that makes us apologists!
Strat wrote:
Ed's always been a dick. I realized that when i was 13 years old. But that passion/anger/rage/ridiculousness/self righteousness is part of the passion that made the music so great and that drew me to the band. Its part of who he is and what makes/made him great. Most of us understood that and thus are not surprised at his antics. But that makes us apologists!
Being a dick isn't the issue so much as being a dick and a preachy hypocrite. Obviously people's world views change, and it would be dumb to assume 2013 Ed would stick with 1991 Ed's positions on things, but how you treat people with less power than you or that you have power over is an excellent way to judge character, and the older wiser Ed should be aware of that.
Strat wrote:
Ed's always been a dick. I realized that when i was 13 years old. But that passion/anger/rage/ridiculousness/self righteousness is part of the passion that made the music so great and that drew me to the band. Its part of who he is and what makes/made him great. Most of us understood that and thus are not surprised at his antics. But that makes us apologists!
Being a dick isn't the issue so much as being a dick and a preachy hypocrite. Obviously people's world views change, and it would be dumb to assume 2013 Ed would stick with 1991 Ed's positions on things, but how you treat people with less power than you or that you have power over is an excellent way to judge character, and the older wiser Ed should be aware of that.
I think the title of this thread is useful. There is still a difference between times you are a dick, and being a dick all the time. For the most part Ed's dickishness seems to be an exception, worthy of comment because it seems out of character.
It's worthy of comment because he's a rich celebrity whose actions and positions are in the public eye, and because he preaches a different way.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
Mecca wrote:It still reveals something about Eddie and his attitude towards women as evidenced by the recent woman getting kicked out of the pit.
I don't follow your logic. All it says is that Eddie is disappointed in a young girl who is possibly underage flashing her tits when she should be doing something worthwhile. And then he threatens to shit on her head.
Since when was bro's seeing Pearl Jam live 'something worthwhile'? Since when was buying fucking dog collars with Pearl Jam's name on them 'worthwhile'? Since when was installing a fireman's pole in your house 'worthwhile'? Ed encourages sycophancy, the 10 Club encourages sycophancy, unless it involves a woman wanting a body part signed (her 'mosquito bites')? How many zillions of fans have done this, and rather than saying 'Uh, maybe you shouldn't do that, lady, I wouldn't advise it,' he angrily says 'Mosquito bites!' There's no two ways about it, the guy was an absolute cock that night.
Would you like to check your baggage at the gate?
Also, as WcT said, Ed was still being a dick. He was providing context for where that dickishness came from. Maybe it came from the fact that he is a cold, black hearted, money loving, greedy, worse than hitler, mysoginsitic bastard. Or maybe he was having a shitty night and lashed out in an inappropriately dickish way. Which, of course, you or I or anyone else has never done.
But ignore this. I'm just a pearl jam apologist.
I think you're missing my point in your quickness to apologise for Pearl Jam, stip. My point is this and only this: flashing one's body part and saying 'Sign this!' is a pretty well-known fan sentiment in rock music. Countless comedies have parodied it. This was all the woman was doing, flashing her tits. I was not saying anything was *wrong* with the other fan actions that I listed, only that they are the actions of devoted fans. They are fine actions, but equally pointless actions. BEING A FAN IS NEEDLESS ENTERTAINMENT. So is flashing one's tits, sometimes. Or pulling moonies out of car windows, or whatever bro's do these days. For fuck sake, let's not tell off women for flashing their tits. If we really care about it, let's boycott Mardi Gras. The fact that we won't says a lot about how men want to prioritise their time; berate woman fans of rock bands for flashing their tits, but fap to their porn every night!
LOL. what? Maybe for Poison.
Strat, don't be an idiot. Pearl Jam is not sophisticated.
RisingTides wrote:There is more kindness on the internet than we would care to admit to ourselves. Sometimes we are so afraid of falling victim to a ruse, we miss out on actual opportunities.
Everyone can be an asshole, for all sorts of reasons. To think any of us are not capable of saying as bad or worse than Ed depending on the circumstances is naive at best. (I always forget that the RM contingent is mistake-free somehow though).
Shit, I'm an asshole on this thing every single day.
It shouldn't be a news flash that a frontman for a rock band says dumb shit once in a while when a mic is in front of his face.
Ed can be an idiot. Ed can be mean. Ed can also be extraordinarily kind. He's not a hero or a role model, he's a dude. Move on.
I'll suggest a topic: Brendan O'Brien and his production technique. Discuss.
When bored of that: Who is the best drummer for Pearl Jam?
These are evergreen topics that will keep you occupied until our messiahs are rightfully elected into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame, when we can discuss whether it was right or wrong that they moved all the Beatles shit out and all of Ed's plastic cups in.
stip wrote:really the only appropriate reaction for most of these things is what Iceagecoming said at some point. That if you stick a mic in someone's face night after night for two decades they will say some mean things sometimes, and be a dick sometimes, and most of the time they won't be.
stupidmop wrote:I think this is the tech again. At the start.
ed might be an alcoholic.
I've been thinking this for a while.
Don't be stu-
Encore Break 1
(Ed tells a story about going to the doctor and being asked how much he drinks. He thinks initially that he only has a glass of wine or two every once in awhile. Then he thought well he has a couple of glasses of wine a day and some beer and then when he is working...
This next song is by a man I was lucky enough to share a few of bottles of wine with a few years ago. His name was Lou Reed)
Option one: Functioning alcoholic
Option two: Dumbass with the mindset of a teenager who likes to talk about how they're sooooo wasted all the time.
just got around to watching that video any idea what was wrong with the wine?
evenslow wrote:oh doc. here comes the flood of bad jokes again.
don't you want to talk about brendan o'brien and his fancy shmancy production?
sorry if i opened the flood gates, just curious if anyone knew
Nobody knows. Nobody knows anything. We all just make inferences through our own tunnel vision; which depends on how much we like/love/dislike/hate pearl jam these days!
stupidmop wrote:I think this is the tech again. At the start.
ed might be an alcoholic.
I've been thinking this for a while.
Don't be stu-
Encore Break 1
(Ed tells a story about going to the doctor and being asked how much he drinks. He thinks initially that he only has a glass of wine or two every once in awhile. Then he thought well he has a couple of glasses of wine a day and some beer and then when he is working...
This next song is by a man I was lucky enough to share a few of bottles of wine with a few years ago. His name was Lou Reed)
Option one: Functioning alcoholic
Option two: Dumbass with the mindset of a teenager who likes to talk about how they're sooooo wasted all the time.
just got around to watching that video any idea what was wrong with the wine?
Honestly i think that the bottle is broken or someshit, at the end he pours the water out of his mug and pours the wine in (the video cuts but i think you can see it in others). Unless of course he just didnt want the gross wine sullying his good bottle or something.
any idea what was wrong with the wine?
(its probably my favourite song on the album also though)