NHL Thread

[elliseamos]

Who made that statement?

TSN boards....

i see.

At least Cooke would face the music.

[Peeps]

Who made that statement?

TSN boards....

i see.

At least Cooke would face the music.

what music has to be faced, for making a standard hockey play?

im sorry mr toews, you made a pass, you must now fight

[numbers]

Who made that statement?

TSN boards....

i agree neal should be suspended (im guessing around 5) and yes what duper did was stupid but that seems to be all that is being pointed out. lets not talk about the crosscheck to connor or charas butt end of kunitz...

it all boils down to orpik (they claim he is the pens enforcer) not fighting thorton and neal being dirty. they also claimed the bruins lost three guys, 1 for a broken leg (dupis responsible) and eriksson and marchand.

never mind marchand was back in a shift or two or that orpiks hit was clean.

crosby got lit up by giroux almost the same way...yet everyone cheers cause they hate crosby...but orpik does it and its a crime cause orpik plays for the pens

I dont think Orpik's hit was dirty. Sure the incident could have been avoided if he fought Thornton, but he's not obligated to fight because he laid someone out, and what Thornton did to him was way over the line. I will say though that the Penguins' years of defending and employing Matt Cooke buys them no sympathy when these kinds of things happen in games involving them.

[Peeps]

I dont think Orpik's hit was dirty. Sure the incident could have been avoided if he fought Thornton, but he's not obligated to fight because he laid someone out, and what Thornton did to him was way over the line. I will say though that the Penguins' years of defending and employing Matt Cooke buys them no sympathy when these kinds of things happen in games involving them.

thats what irritates me so much with yinzers...a columnist is actually going all montreal and calling it a crime.

for fucks sake, the pens had cooke who for a stretch of about 2 years laid out some very qestionable hits (sure he got penalties for them and even suspended but still) and all everyone can say is how thorton should be charged with a crime. yet they will say without a doubt that neal didnt do anything. granted you can argue that he didnt do it on purpose but come on, a guy who can make a saucer pass to his blind side cause he knows a player is on his wing and then pic a 2x3 inch spot on the net to score. youre going to tell me he didnt now marchand was down there?

[elliseamos]

Who made that statement?

TSN boards....

i see.

At least Cooke would face the music.

what music has to be faced, for making a standard hockey play?

im sorry mr toews, you made a pass, you must now fight

I think the hit was illegal.

[elliseamos]

Although, after watching phanuef's hit just now I have no idea what's legal and illegal.

[philpritchard]

Although, after watching phanuef's hit just now I have no idea what's legal and illegal.

That was a really bad hit. How did the refs NOT call that one?

[MattA75]

I heard Neal's comments after the game for the first time this morning...I don't think I've ever heard someone be so full of shit in my life

[Peeps]

I heard Neal's comments after the game for the first time this morning...I don't think I've ever heard someone be so full of shit in my life

even more full of shit saying i didnt mean to hurt him, i just slew footed him, threw and elbow/forearm into his head then punched him but fully expected a flowerbed to spring up and cushion the blows?

[Peeps]

5 for neal, i wouldnt have complained if it was 10

[philpritchard]

I heard Neal's comments after the game for the first time this morning...I don't think I've ever heard someone be so full of shit in my life

even more full of shit saying i didnt mean to hurt him, i just slew footed him, threw and elbow/forearm into his head then punched him but fully expected a flowerbed to spring up and cushion the blows?

Yes. At least Thornton was half honest.

I still think Thornton will get exactly ten games. But if Neal gets five, I think Thornton's should be more than ten.

In the meantime, Phaneuf is probably looking at a couple games, too.

[surfndestroy]

I heard Neal's comments after the game for the first time this morning...I don't think I've ever heard someone be so full of shit in my life

even more full of shit saying i didnt mean to hurt him, i just slew footed him, threw and elbow/forearm into his head then punched him but fully expected a flowerbed to spring up and cushion the blows?

Yes. At least Thornton was half honest.

I still think Thornton will get exactly ten games. But if Neal gets five, I think Thornton's should be more than ten.

In the meantime, Phaneuf is probably looking at a couple games, too.

I'm glad Neal got 5. I think they could have given him more as there was no losing it involved. It was flat out a cheap shot meant to harm.

I'm okay if they give Thornton 20. I think he'll get 10 but half of what Bertuzzi got is fine too.

I'm not sure what to give Phaneuf. We see the replays in slow motion, so it always look deliberate. If he's a first offender, I'd give Phaneuf 3 but if he's a repeat offender, double it to 6 games.

[philpritchard]

I'm not sure what to give Phaneuf. We see the replays in slow motion, so it always look deliberate. If he's a first offender, I'd give Phaneuf 3 but if he's a repeat offender, double it to 6 games.

Phaneuf is a first time offender, and I feel like he'll get 2-3. I actually find it kind of impressive that it's taken him ten years in the league to make this kind of suspendable hit, considering he plays such a physical game.

I don't think it fits into the "vicious" or "intent to injury" categories, but it was definitely a dumb and reckless play.

[surfndestroy]

I'm not sure what to give Phaneuf. We see the replays in slow motion, so it always look deliberate. If he's a first offender, I'd give Phaneuf 3 but if he's a repeat offender, double it to 6 games.

Phaneuf is a first time offender, and I feel like he'll get 2-3. I actually find it kind of impressive that it's taken him ten years in the league to make this kind of suspendable hit, considering he plays such a physical game.

I don't think it fits into the "vicious" or "intent to injury" categories, but it was definitely a dumb and reckless play.

I feel bad for players on this type of hit. I'm sure Phaneuf is thinking Millar's goig to turn and get his shoulder into the boards. But when Millar stumbles, Phaneuf has got to try and wrap him up instead or try to miss the hit.

Phaneuf is impressing me with his defensive play but it seems to be coming at the cost of his offence. Is that really the case?

Toronto has to win that game against Boston. Two call ups playing on defence, a forward down a minute into the game and basically three forwards down for half the game and Hamilton gone before first period ends. And Boston had played the day before and was the travelling team.

[MattA75]

I'm not sure what to give Phaneuf. We see the replays in slow motion, so it always look deliberate. If he's a first offender, I'd give Phaneuf 3 but if he's a repeat offender, double it to 6 games.

Phaneuf is a first time offender, and I feel like he'll get 2-3. I actually find it kind of impressive that it's taken him ten years in the league to make this kind of suspendable hit, considering he plays such a physical game.

I don't think it fits into the "vicious" or "intent to injury" categories, but it was definitely a dumb and reckless play.

I feel bad for players on this type of hit. I'm sure Phaneuf is thinking Millar's goig to turn and get his shoulder into the boards. But when Millar stumbles, Phaneuf has got to try and wrap him up instead or try to miss the hit.

Phaneuf is impressing me with his defensive play but it seems to be coming at the cost of his offence. Is that really the case?

Toronto has to win that game against Boston. Two call ups playing on defence, a forward down a minute into the game and basically three forwards down for half the game and Hamilton gone before first period ends. And Boston had played the day before and was the travelling team.

Toronto played in Ottawa the night before...it just sounded like a home game...but your other points are valid

[philpritchard]

I'm not sure what to give Phaneuf. We see the replays in slow motion, so it always look deliberate. If he's a first offender, I'd give Phaneuf 3 but if he's a repeat offender, double it to 6 games.

Phaneuf is a first time offender, and I feel like he'll get 2-3. I actually find it kind of impressive that it's taken him ten years in the league to make this kind of suspendable hit, considering he plays such a physical game.

I don't think it fits into the "vicious" or "intent to injury" categories, but it was definitely a dumb and reckless play.

I feel bad for players on this type of hit. I'm sure Phaneuf is thinking Millar's goig to turn and get his shoulder into the boards. But when Millar stumbles, Phaneuf has got to try and wrap him up instead or try to miss the hit.

Phaneuf is impressing me with his defensive play but it seems to be coming at the cost of his offence. Is that really the case?

Toronto has to win that game against Boston. Two call ups playing on defence, a forward down a minute into the game and basically three forwards down for half the game and Hamilton gone before first period ends. And Boston had played the day before and was the travelling team.

Toronto had played the day before too and are playing without two of their top three centers, but I agree with pretty much all your points.

I think Phaneuf has sacrificed some offense this year, but he's been unbelievable. The sacrifice has come in favour of a very well-rounded game where he's provided OK offense and has been a complete rock on defense, shutting down the opponent's top line night after night. Last night's game was probably the worst I've seen from him this year.

[surfndestroy]

15 for Thornton, I think they got it right. I was hoping Neal would get half of what Thornton did though.

I still think teams should lose a bench spot for the duration of a suspension. Same as they do when a player gets tossed from a game. I think that would result in a faster culture shift.

[Peeps]

Not sure how I feel about engllands hit. Can't ell if it was shoulder to shoulder or shoulder to head. Replays weren't too good here on tv

[numbers]

15 games seems a bit excessive for Thornton, I think 10 would be more appropriate for a first time offender.

[Peeps]

If you look at tsn a lot of bruin fans are saying Thornton should get nothing cause orpik faked it. Plus it was no injury. If that's the case then Neal should have gotten 0 games.

Truth is both plays have no place in any level of hockey and both suspensions were warranted for their length