Nah, that was before the post-Riot Act cash grab. I think the contempt for the fans started sometime in the second half of the last decade. Did I mention that this is just my opinion and not fact? I realize it can be hard to tell the difference.cutuphalfdead wrote:So was Sleepless Nights complete contempt for the fans? Because that was just Eddie Vedder and Beck, which has just as much to do with Pearl Jam as Eddie Vedder and Jeanne Trippelhorn.
I dont get it...how is this xmas a cash grab? how is this different than sleepless nights or rocking in the free world with bono? or devil doll with x?PryTo wrote:Nah, that was before the post-Riot Act cash grab. I think the contempt for the fans started sometime in the second half of the last decade. Did I mention that this is just my opinion and not fact? I realize it can be hard to tell the difference.cutuphalfdead wrote:So was Sleepless Nights complete contempt for the fans? Because that was just Eddie Vedder and Beck, which has just as much to do with Pearl Jam as Eddie Vedder and Jeanne Trippelhorn.
I know it's your opinion, and I'm the last one to defend modern day PJ. But like VinylGuy said, how is this different than sleepless nights or rocking in the free world with bono? or devil doll with x?PryTo wrote:Nah, that was before the post-Riot Act cash grab. I think the contempt for the fans started sometime in the second half of the last decade. Did I mention that this is just my opinion and not fact? I realize it can be hard to tell the difference.cutuphalfdead wrote:So was Sleepless Nights complete contempt for the fans? Because that was just Eddie Vedder and Beck, which has just as much to do with Pearl Jam as Eddie Vedder and Jeanne Trippelhorn.
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It's not a cash grab -- they've been releasing these for 20 years. It does, however, express contempt for their audience. As in, "these clowns will buy literally any piece of shit we throw at them. Let's have Ed fart in the microphone and release it as a single. No better yet, let's have some actress buddy of Ed's fart in the microphone and release that as a single. Limited edition, numbered box set of Ed's friends farting while he strums an acoustic. Seriously! They'll buy it, watch!" It's almost like they keep pushing the envelope in that regard, new lows each year.VinylGuy wrote:I dont get it...how is this xmas a cash grab? how is this different than sleepless nights or rocking in the free world with bono? or devil doll with x?PryTo wrote:Nah, that was before the post-Riot Act cash grab. I think the contempt for the fans started sometime in the second half of the last decade. Did I mention that this is just my opinion and not fact? I realize it can be hard to tell the difference.cutuphalfdead wrote:So was Sleepless Nights complete contempt for the fans? Because that was just Eddie Vedder and Beck, which has just as much to do with Pearl Jam as Eddie Vedder and Jeanne Trippelhorn.
I agree that there's a huge difference, but it's the b-side of a Holiday single that is traditionally ok at best. This will end up getting the same two listens that most of them get from me. I expect it to be pointless every years. Sometimes I'm surprised. This isn't one of those times. It's not a huge deal.PryTo wrote:If you guys don't see a difference between PJ's musical collaborations with Bono, Beck, Robert Plant, Corrine Tucker, Jay-Z, and X and the "collaboration" on "Shattered," I'm not sure what to tell you. IMO there's a huge difference.
PJ did Ramblings in..91? 93?? The band just talking and saying happy christmas...fuck imagine this fan base if they did the same this year...PryTo wrote:It's not a cash grab -- they've been releasing these for 20 years. It does, however, express contempt for their audience. As in, "these clowns will buy literally any piece of shit we throw at them. Let's have Ed fart in the microphone and release it as a single. No better yet, let's have some actress buddy of Ed's fart in the microphone and release that as a single. Limited edition, numbered box set of Ed's friends farting while he strums an acoustic. Seriously! They'll buy it, watch!" It's almost like they keep pushing the envelope in that regard, new lows each year.VinylGuy wrote:I dont get it...how is this xmas a cash grab? how is this different than sleepless nights or rocking in the free world with bono? or devil doll with x?PryTo wrote:Nah, that was before the post-Riot Act cash grab. I think the contempt for the fans started sometime in the second half of the last decade. Did I mention that this is just my opinion and not fact? I realize it can be hard to tell the difference.cutuphalfdead wrote:So was Sleepless Nights complete contempt for the fans? Because that was just Eddie Vedder and Beck, which has just as much to do with Pearl Jam as Eddie Vedder and Jeanne Trippelhorn.
If you guys don't see a difference between PJ's musical collaborations with Bono, Beck, Robert Plant, Corrine Tucker, Jay-Z, and X and the "collaboration" on "Shattered," I'm not sure what to tell you. IMO there's a huge difference.
I so agree with you on that point. My pithy remark got taken all seriously.Lament wrote:It's not a huge deal.PryTo wrote:If you guys don't see a difference between PJ's musical collaborations with Bono, Beck, Robert Plant, Corrine Tucker, Jay-Z, and X and the "collaboration" on "Shattered," I'm not sure what to tell you. IMO there's a huge difference.
I respect them for that.these clowns will buy literally any piece of shit we throw at them.
Have you considered stacking papers and getting paid?David Yow wrote:How are Pearl Jam any different from Toto?
Lament wrote:I'm really just surprised that they didn't pick something better from a purely business-driven perspective. Imagine all of the new members they could've gotten with a better song choice and more visually stunning video to go with it. Like, Ed playing a medley of Just Breathe/Livin' On a Prayer on a baseball bat-shaped ukulele while sitting at home plate at Wrigley Field on a sunny afternoon. Then they could have CGI'd ghosts of dead Cubs players and Andy Wood and Kurt Cobain and Layne Staley and Johnny Ramone playing baseball all around him while he sings.
