Government Shutdown

[broken iris]

I agree with stip. See you in this thread in January!

this is getting esolc

We haven't received any notice to plan for furloughs or cuts yet. The nation may escape unscathed this time.

[Man in Black]

Question: If Ted Cruz and John Boehner were both on a sinking ship, who would be saved?

Answer: America.

Boehner and Ryan went against much of their base and did the deal.

One has to wonder, who really wants the stalemate? Do you folks enjoy having these boogeymen?

[Man in Black]

A lot of folks certainly talk out both sides of their mouth on this issue.

Many decry our wars, and our hegemony, and Obama's bizarre paranoid massive spying. Yet these same folks demand that we MUST keep feeding the beast.

The federal government is an insanely bloated corrupt immoral mess. Any honest accounting and assessment reveals this.

At some point, is it our moral obligation to engage in civil disobedience, and stop being an accessory to this?

Do we have to have a GOP president for you folks to acknowledge this?

[elliseamos]

A lot of folks certainly talk out both sides of their mouth on this issue.

Many decry our wars, and our hegemony, and Obama's bizarre paranoid massive spying. Yet these same folks demand that we MUST keep feeding the beast.

The federal government is an insanely bloated corrupt immoral mess. Any honest accounting and assessment reveals this.

At some point, is it our moral obligation to engage in civil disobedience, and stop being an accessory to this?

Do we have to have a GOP president for you folks to acknowledge this?

1) it's not just obama's spying
2) providing social welfare can be carried out w/o wars & spying
3) people are corrupt and immoral, government is made up of people
4) civil disobedience doesn't require us to all get guns, bibles, and poisonous water
5) no