Feminism

[surfndestroy]

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[harmless]

Men do all of the above too; there is no binary that says men use 'brute strength' and women are 'passive-aggressive'. The only people I've ever seen argue that cliche were men. Whereas I have spoken to women who were verbally and psychologically and subtly abused by their husbands who, again, knew that at the end of the day, they would come out smiling but the woman wouldn't. Because society is fucking awful.

You're right, there is no binary of the sort. Would it be wrong if we tried to establish one? Only men are speaking of that cliche? hmm, I figured it was just benevolent sexism on both sides. Because that's how society rolls.

You've talked to female abuse victims, but have you ever talked to a battered man?

I have been a psychologically abused man. And no, I don't think establishing binaries is ever helpful.

[harmless]

I've already told you that I know men have received abuse; I've also told you I've been in contact with male poets who have been raped.

[harmless]

We need to provide help for them. We also need feminism.

[mookie]

We need to provide help for them. We also need feminism.

I think we still need feminism. I shouldn't have said "the goal of feminism is to not need feminism."


This is a great little article a childhood friend of mine sent out. I knew her dad very well. He was a father figure in my life also.


Words From a Father to His Daughter (From the Makeup Aisle)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-m-f ... =fb&src=sp



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[broken iris]

We need to provide help for them. We also need feminism.

I think we still need feminism. I shouldn't have said "the goal of feminism is to not need feminism."


This is a great little article a childhood friend of mine sent out. I knew her dad very well. He was a father figure in my life also.


Words From a Father to His Daughter (From the Makeup Aisle)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-m-f ... =fb&src=sp



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That bald white American male should shut up and listen to the implicitly better-informed women around him. How dare he try and tell a young impressionable woman how live? How could he possibly relate to her experience? He is so steeped in privilege he cannot understand the effect his words have on her.

[mookie]

Yup. I mean he could have just said, "men can see passed all that shit, no need to cake yourself up."

Nope, he had to go and get crazy, then write a beautifully encouraging life guide.

[broken iris]

Yup. I mean he could have just said, "men can see passed all that shit, no need to cake yourself up."

Nope, he had to go and get crazy, then write a beautifully encouraging life guide.

Not once does the word "victim" appear in there. I checked with a Ctrl-F. It's almost like the authoer recognizes how precious life is and wants his daughter to experience her life to the fullest and as she sees fit, without preconceived notions of the world and her role in it to hold her back. It's a great way to trick the unenlightened. I'm totally going to bring this up in my monthly "Sunday morning straight white male brunch". It's awesome. We all slip on our Malaysian made Nikes and confederate flag tank tops, sit on top of the Pentagon, and dine on factory-farmed dolphins while sipping non-organic champagne from blood-diamond encrusted glasses, all that time devising new ways to increase disparate impact in western culture to make sure our sisters, wives, daughters, and other beloved female family members, friends, and neighbors suffer. Hopefully Woody Allen will be there.

[Jorge]

Man look at broken_iris go

[broken iris]

Man look at broken_iris go

I'm snowed in and out of coffee. Ignorant trolling at it's most mediocre..

[mookie]

Man look at broken_iris go

I know right? That was fantastic. Fuck those Duck Dynasty guys.

[harmless]

While people feel personally offended by the existence of feminism, while people feel personally blamed just because the subject of privilege comes up, it's pretty impossible to have these conversations without getting really pissed off. I am disabled, I am not straight, but I am a white male, and I have absolutely no issue with acknowledging that I have privileges over people who aren't white males, and that I can give them a harder time or an easier time in life via the choices I make (and even that I have plenty of choices is my privilege). It's that simple. But as long as people are going to become really defensive and start feeling blamed just because I brought up the subject, it's kind of impossible to debate it. I am a white male (not getting upset), usually talking to other white males (getting upset). So that's the issue, at the end of the day: butt-hurt. People think that as long as they are generally 'nice people', that's enough. But as a disabled person, I can tell you that I've known a lot of self-confessed 'nice' people who were total idiots to me about my disability because they took their privilege for granted. People may have an issue with the words 'Feminism' and 'Privilege', but if so, they should still not discard the concepts, or they're probably inadvertently upsetting someone. A lot of people don't even know able (or non-disabled) privilege is even a concept and reality. It is. But until I tell you what it might consist of, you're going to continue through your life completely oblivious to it. On a wider cultural level, when a large number of able-bodied people are doing this, that is a problem. They do affect the culture they're in. Not everything is about individual choice and what we do has knock-on effects.

[surfndestroy]

While people feel personally offended by the existence of feminism, while people feel personally blamed just because the subject of privilege comes up, it's pretty impossible to have these conversations without getting really pissed off. I am disabled, I am not straight, but I am a white male, and I have absolutely no issue with acknowledging that I have privileges over people who aren't white males, and that I can give them a harder time or an easier time in life via the choices I make (and even that I have plenty of choices is my privilege). It's that simple. But as long as people are going to become really defensive and start feeling blamed just because I brought up the subject, it's kind of impossible to debate it. I am a white male (not getting upset), usually talking to other white males (getting upset). So that's the issue, at the end of the day: butt-hurt. People think that as long as they are generally 'nice people', that's enough. But as a disabled person, I can tell you that I've known a lot of self-confessed 'nice' people who were total idiots to me about my disability because they took their privilege for granted. People may have an issue with the words 'Feminism' and 'Privilege', but if so, they should still not discard the concepts, or they're probably inadvertently upsetting someone. A lot of people don't even know able (or non-disabled) privilege is even a concept and reality. It is. But until I tell you what it might consist of, you're going to continue through your life completely oblivious to it. On a wider cultural level, when a large number of able-bodied people are doing this, that is a problem. They do affect the culture they're in. Not everything is about individual choice and what we do has knock-on effects.

Embrace your inner victim. It looks good on you.

[Alex]

we need a feminism sub-forum

[Jorge]

While people feel personally offended by the existence of feminism, while people feel personally blamed just because the subject of privilege comes up, it's pretty impossible to have these conversations without getting really pissed off. I am disabled, I am not straight, but I am a white male, and I have absolutely no issue with acknowledging that I have privileges over people who aren't white males, and that I can give them a harder time or an easier time in life via the choices I make (and even that I have plenty of choices is my privilege). It's that simple. But as long as people are going to become really defensive and start feeling blamed just because I brought up the subject, it's kind of impossible to debate it. I am a white male (not getting upset), usually talking to other white males (getting upset). So that's the issue, at the end of the day: butt-hurt. People think that as long as they are generally 'nice people', that's enough. But as a disabled person, I can tell you that I've known a lot of self-confessed 'nice' people who were total idiots to me about my disability because they took their privilege for granted. People may have an issue with the words 'Feminism' and 'Privilege', but if so, they should still not discard the concepts, or they're probably inadvertently upsetting someone. A lot of people don't even know able (or non-disabled) privilege is even a concept and reality. It is. But until I tell you what it might consist of, you're going to continue through your life completely oblivious to it. On a wider cultural level, when a large number of able-bodied people are doing this, that is a problem. They do affect the culture they're in. Not everything is about individual choice and what we do has knock-on effects.

Embrace your inner victim. It looks good on you.

I'd encourage you to embrace your inner asshole, but it appears you have!

[harmless]

I'm not sure what I need to be doing to "embrace" anything I haven't already: open my veins maybe? I hope that nobody ever does because of your ignorance, surfndestroy.

[broken iris]

While people feel personally offended by the existence of feminism, while people feel personally blamed just because the subject of privilege comes up, it's pretty impossible to have these conversations without getting really pissed off. I am disabled, I am not straight, but I am a white male, and I have absolutely no issue with acknowledging that I have privileges over people who aren't white males, and that I can give them a harder time or an easier time in life via the choices I make (and even that I have plenty of choices is my privilege). It's that simple. But as long as people are going to become really defensive and start feeling blamed just because I brought up the subject, it's kind of impossible to debate it. I am a white male (not getting upset), usually talking to other white males (getting upset). So that's the issue, at the end of the day: butt-hurt. People think that as long as they are generally 'nice people', that's enough. But as a disabled person, I can tell you that I've known a lot of self-confessed 'nice' people who were total idiots to me about my disability because they took their privilege for granted. People may have an issue with the words 'Feminism' and 'Privilege', but if so, they should still not discard the concepts, or they're probably inadvertently upsetting someone. A lot of people don't even know able (or non-disabled) privilege is even a concept and reality. It is. But until I tell you what it might consist of, you're going to continue through your life completely oblivious to it. On a wider cultural level, when a large number of able-bodied people are doing this, that is a problem. They do affect the culture they're in. Not everything is about individual choice and what we do has knock-on effects.

Embrace your inner victim. It looks good on you.

Even though I may not agree with Harmless on everything, he's being honest on the Internet, which is kinda rare. No need to troll him.

[Harry Limb]

I'm not bandwagon jumper, but this thread mostly seems all right.

[Harry Limb]

Usually I'm a fan of the moody and atmospheric. But harmless in this thread, I don't know. Enough with the dreary rhetoric. It feels like a cardboard cutout character. I keep waiting for him to get up and walk off the page. Less Emily Bronte, more Cormac McCarthy, please.

[harmless]

Anybody who has experienced prejudice is your 'cardboard character': it doesn't matter who I am, if I talk about this shit, someone who hasn't experienced it will get bored and have the opportunity to not give a shit. Such is life. I write it anyway in the hope that someone finds it useful. If you don't, move along and replace the blinkers.