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Rather than adjusting my tone for the tone-police, I'll probably just say enjoy, kids. This forum is pretty insufferable.
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harmless wrote:Anybody who has experienced prejudice is your 'cardboard character': it doesn't matter who I am, if I talk about this shit, someone who hasn't experienced it will get bored and have the opportunity to not give a shit. Such is life. I write it anyway in the hope that someone finds it useful. If you don't, move along and replace the blinkers.
He's joking, it's a Harry Lime parody account.
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I don't know. I definitely sympathize with the "victim" thing. Cary Grant in North By Northwest? Fucking brilliant.
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theplatypus wrote:
harmless wrote:Anybody who has experienced prejudice is your 'cardboard character': it doesn't matter who I am, if I talk about this shit, someone who hasn't experienced it will get bored and have the opportunity to not give a shit. Such is life. I write it anyway in the hope that someone finds it useful. If you don't, move along and replace the blinkers.
He's joking, it's a Harry Lime parody account.
Yeah I thought about that after I wrote it, actually.
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theplatypus wrote:
harmless wrote:Anybody who has experienced prejudice is your 'cardboard character': it doesn't matter who I am, if I talk about this shit, someone who hasn't experienced it will get bored and have the opportunity to not give a shit. Such is life. I write it anyway in the hope that someone finds it useful. If you don't, move along and replace the blinkers.
He's joking, it's a Harry Lime parody account.
which is funny, because who knew harry lime could be even more of a parody, amirite?
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broken iris wrote:
surfndestroy wrote:
harmless wrote:While people feel personally offended by the existence of feminism, while people feel personally blamed just because the subject of privilege comes up, it's pretty impossible to have these conversations without getting really pissed off. I am disabled, I am not straight, but I am a white male, and I have absolutely no issue with acknowledging that I have privileges over people who aren't white males, and that I can give them a harder time or an easier time in life via the choices I make (and even that I have plenty of choices is my privilege). It's that simple. But as long as people are going to become really defensive and start feeling blamed just because I brought up the subject, it's kind of impossible to debate it. I am a white male (not getting upset), usually talking to other white males (getting upset). So that's the issue, at the end of the day: butt-hurt. People think that as long as they are generally 'nice people', that's enough. But as a disabled person, I can tell you that I've known a lot of self-confessed 'nice' people who were total idiots to me about my disability because they took their privilege for granted. People may have an issue with the words 'Feminism' and 'Privilege', but if so, they should still not discard the concepts, or they're probably inadvertently upsetting someone. A lot of people don't even know able (or non-disabled) privilege is even a concept and reality. It is. But until I tell you what it might consist of, you're going to continue through your life completely oblivious to it. On a wider cultural level, when a large number of able-bodied people are doing this, that is a problem. They do affect the culture they're in. Not everything is about individual choice and what we do has knock-on effects.
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Even though I may not agree with Harmless on everything, he's being honest on the Internet, which is kinda rare. No need to troll him.

True, so what's the difference between trolling and cat fighting?
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mookie wrote:
broken iris wrote:
surfndestroy wrote:
harmless wrote:While people feel personally offended by the existence of feminism, while people feel personally blamed just because the subject of privilege comes up, it's pretty impossible to have these conversations without getting really pissed off. I am disabled, I am not straight, but I am a white male, and I have absolutely no issue with acknowledging that I have privileges over people who aren't white males, and that I can give them a harder time or an easier time in life via the choices I make (and even that I have plenty of choices is my privilege). It's that simple. But as long as people are going to become really defensive and start feeling blamed just because I brought up the subject, it's kind of impossible to debate it. I am a white male (not getting upset), usually talking to other white males (getting upset). So that's the issue, at the end of the day: butt-hurt. People think that as long as they are generally 'nice people', that's enough. But as a disabled person, I can tell you that I've known a lot of self-confessed 'nice' people who were total idiots to me about my disability because they took their privilege for granted. People may have an issue with the words 'Feminism' and 'Privilege', but if so, they should still not discard the concepts, or they're probably inadvertently upsetting someone. A lot of people don't even know able (or non-disabled) privilege is even a concept and reality. It is. But until I tell you what it might consist of, you're going to continue through your life completely oblivious to it. On a wider cultural level, when a large number of able-bodied people are doing this, that is a problem. They do affect the culture they're in. Not everything is about individual choice and what we do has knock-on effects.
Embrace your inner victim. It looks good on you.
Even though I may not agree with Harmless on everything, he's being honest on the Internet, which is kinda rare. No need to troll him.

True, so what's the difference between trolling and cat fighting?
'Cat-fighting' was a reference to a derogatory description levelled at (black) intersectional feminists by mainstream feminists, who say that intersectional discussions on Twitter about different identities amount to bitchy nastiness. Interestingly, we don't tend to say that about professional discourse between men: not in the boardroom, the academic institution, the office, the courts, the hospital, or Parliament. Generally speaking, when (white) men argue aggressively, it's called 'discourse' and 'argument'; when women do it, it's 'irrational' and 'bitchy' and 'fighting'. That's rhetoric to silence what I'd say is necessary debate. No movement progresses without disagreement and argument.

Trolling is different. In surfndestroy's case, it was putting a conversational sledgehammer through a conversation in order to stop it happening on any level, and with personal insults.
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Basically a troll is someone who realises they're not interested in the discussion but butts in anyway to amuse themselves. For all that we disagree on a lot of stuff, I don't think that's what you were doing.
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but butts
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:lol:
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How many people do you think would have been murdered on this board already if catfights carried over into real life?
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mookie wrote:How many people do you think would have been murdered on this board already if catfights carried over into real life?
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broken iris wrote:
mookie wrote:How many people do you think would have been murdered on this board already if catfights carried over into real life?
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I'm troubled by the lack of sandwiches being brought to this thread.
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harmless wrote::lol:
I have to thank you, harmless. Those two words together are now the most gratifying phrase I've ever said out loud in my entire life. I say them over and over again...with love in my heart and a great swelling of joy in whichever stolen soul I happen to have grabbed out of the sock dresser this morning.

But-butts.

But-butts.

But-butts.

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McParadigm wrote:
harmless wrote::lol:
I have to thank you, harmless. Those two words together are now the most gratifying phrase I've ever said out loud in my entire life. I say them over and over again...with love in my heart and a great swelling of joy in whichever stolen soul I happen to have grabbed out of the sock dresser this morning.

But-butts.

But-butts.

But-butts.

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It makes me happy that I genuinely believe that Alex is seriously scared of McParadigm.
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Mary, is Aileen Wuornos one of your heroes?
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theplatypus wrote:It makes me happy that I genuinely believe that Alex is seriously scared of McParadigm.
can i be the subject of your first RM interview sequel?
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