Masculism

[surfndestroy]

Forever holding the grudge and shame that you aren't banned because you aren't taken seriously because #malicism.

On a related note, internet trolls have scientifically been found to be narcissistic, Machiavellian, psychopathic, and sadistic.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... pathy.html

You sound gay.

Just taking harmless' advice.

[mookie]

I love the 2 attempts at serious points in this thread were quickly glossed over with nonsense. I think this message board could use some more engaged moderation.

the point of the thread was much the same as the point of the Mind your Tanners account, @skitchp. it's not my fault px felt the need to converse within it. I was fine with it dying after my own first two posts.

So you were just trolling?

The more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt.

When was the last time you were banned Mary? Is that why you're so hostile. Because you were banned by men?

i've never been banned from RM

I didn't specifically ask about RM.

ana banned me from teh fuge as part of an extended temper tantrum for not replying to her PMs

Without knowing her side of the story, all I can say is that presently none of her reasons matter unless you really want back in.

[broken iris]

How many times can I watch Pitch Perfect before I can no longer post in this thread?

[@SkitchP]

How many times can I watch Pitch Perfect before I can no longer post in this thread?

1

[broken iris]

How many times can I watch Pitch Perfect before I can no longer post in this thread?

1

Like today or ever?

[malice]

How many times can I watch Pitch Perfect before I can no longer post in this thread?

the same number of times i can read px's posts without realizing there's no point at which she makes any sense

[mookie]

How many times can I watch Pitch Perfect before I can no longer post in this thread?

the same number of times i can read px's posts without realizing there's no point at which she makes any sense

You just choose not to understand. I regret that things will remain this way, but I'm walking away now.

Have a good weekend, Mary.

[malice]

but I'm walking away now.

promises, promises

[Dev]

1.) The dude-bros feminists hate. The higher functioning betas will attempt to mimic the sexual strategies of the alphas in order to have some level of reproductive success in a textbook case of be 'careful what you ask for', reinvigorating the patriarchy.

Discuss.

You lost me here, can you clarify what you mean on this point?

[Dev]

Really tho

Women have represented better than 60% of college graduates for years, now...a trend based mostly on disproportionate drop out rates but now set to be extremized by a recent reduction in incoming male freshmen. Men are FIFTY percent more likely to die of cancer than women, yet the majority of cancer awareness and research donation efforts favor cancers which rarely or never affect men. The pacing and verbal heavy designs of our early education system far favor girls over boys, whose development times for language and reading skills put their most receptive ages for learning to read well after the point that we have stopped "teaching to read" and started "reading to teach." Young boys also take longer to process verbally supplied information. It's no wonder they become most of our in school behavior problems and represent the vast majority of our dropouts. And on that note, males outpace females in suicide rates, with numbers for teenage boys and divorced men particularly high, but one recent study found that 70% of media discussion on the subject centered around teenage girls.

great post mcparry, by making a less psycho-analytical post you avoid the controversy that Broken Iris's post incites. Out of curiosity what do you think of his post? Also what do you think of open-source learning, you seem like the kind of guy that would appeal to. Also John Taylor Gatto's "Weapons Of Mass Instruction". If you haven't read it you must.

[Dev]

broken iris just seems like a great person

It seems like his argument was at the very least thought-out and voiced in a civil manner, so why not try explaining why you take issue with it? This way you might actually contribute something constructive to a conversation for once, instead of just offering us your bold-faced stupidity again(stupidity which you understand to be the ultimate form of humour). Seriously, try forming an argument.

Also, do you think there is any reason any of us should find you to be a good person? Since you value such things you will probably find it worthwhile to do a little introspection on the matter.

Do you ever take anything but the easiest position?

[broken iris]

1.) The dude-bros feminists hate. The higher functioning betas will attempt to mimic the sexual strategies of the alphas in order to have some level of reproductive success in a textbook case of be 'careful what you ask for', reinvigorating the patriarchy.

Discuss.

You lost me here, can you clarify what you mean on this point?

So the idea is that a strong and powerful woman isn't going to want a weaker man, where in the past she was held back by society and had to "settle" for one in the form of a provider-husband. We get into this situation where the strength of the male, "alpha-ness", becomes even more important. This class of males now gets laid even more often than they did under the old "slut shaming", beta males get the leftovers system and the betas have noticed so they try and compensate by mimicking the alpha's behavior. Increases in steroid use in high school are good example of this. We just end up with more and more alpha-mimicking betas, the group harmless referred to as the "dude-bros", who realize they can get laid by acting overtly masculine instead of taking the time to get to know and respect a woman, which is regressive towards feminism because women go back to being nothing more that notch on the bedpost. Googling "feminist alpha males" reveals I'm not the first to wonder about this.

[Harry Lime]

1.) The dude-bros feminists hate. The higher functioning betas will attempt to mimic the sexual strategies of the alphas in order to have some level of reproductive success in a textbook case of be 'careful what you ask for', reinvigorating the patriarchy.

Discuss.

You lost me here, can you clarify what you mean on this point?

We just end up with more and more alpha-mimicking betas, the group harmless referred to as the "dude-bros", who realize they can get laid by acting overtly masculine

Welcome to Scottsdale, Arizona.

[McParadigm]

Really tho

Women have represented better than 60% of college graduates for years, now...a trend based mostly on disproportionate drop out rates but now set to be extremized by a recent reduction in incoming male freshmen. Men are FIFTY percent more likely to die of cancer than women, yet the majority of cancer awareness and research donation efforts favor cancers which rarely or never affect men. The pacing and verbal heavy designs of our early education system far favor girls over boys, whose development times for language and reading skills put their most receptive ages for learning to read well after the point that we have stopped "teaching to read" and started "reading to teach." Young boys also take longer to process verbally supplied information. It's no wonder they become most of our in school behavior problems and represent the vast majority of our dropouts. And on that note, males outpace females in suicide rates, with numbers for teenage boys and divorced men particularly high, but one recent study found that 70% of media discussion on the subject centered around teenage girls.

great post mcparry, by making a less psycho-analytical post you avoid the controversy that Broken Iris's post incites. Out of curiosity what do you think of his post? Also what do you think of open-source learning, you seem like the kind of guy that would appeal to. Also John Taylor Gatto's "Weapons Of Mass Instruction". If you haven't read it you must.

I'll happy babble about opens source learning in the education topik. I much enjoy typing out over-long posts that nobody reads.

[nyquillyn]

1.) The dude-bros feminists hate. The higher functioning betas will attempt to mimic the sexual strategies of the alphas in order to have some level of reproductive success in a textbook case of be 'careful what you ask for', reinvigorating the patriarchy.

Discuss.

You lost me here, can you clarify what you mean on this point?

We just end up with more and more alpha-mimicking betas, the group harmless referred to as the "dude-bros", who realize they can get laid by acting overtly masculine

Welcome to Scottsdale, Arizona.

I don't see this at all. The group of guys I work with (who are generally 10 years younger than me) are all the nerdy hipster-type (I know this word is overused here, but they are absolutely hipsters) and all of them do extremely well with women. They generally have zero interest in exercise and I get an endless amount of shit from them for running (they should join RM). From what I can see, young women (admittedly in my semi-educated, white, middle-class world) don't have much of an interest in "alphas" or "betas". My co-workers "do well" because they are smart and funny.

[harmless]

Broken Iris, I think you missed the bit where I was accusing you of theorising like the theorisers, because, well, that's what people do on the Internet. I just missed the part where you did something other than what you accuse other people of doing. Was it when you started talking about personal experience as if it was observable data and evidence of a thesis?

Isn't personal experience the source of all sociological data?


But here's some data for you:

From hot bed of right-wing thought, UC-Berkley:


Does this look like a society hell-bent on oppressing women or men?

Well, right-wing ideology is classically oppressive towards women, and actually all minorities including my own. So to me that just looks like a couple of graphs.

As for your question, though, I never said that personal experience wasn't as valid as data. I actually think it is; pages back I was replying to a poster who said they were doing one thing rather than another, and it was bullshit. Basically you think I'm saying things that I never said.

(Edit: realised you were probably being sarcastic about the right-wing thing. I know nothing about that university or even about that town. Having said that, your graphs still prove nothing and I'm still waiting for a graph that totally disproves the need for feminism.)

[broken iris]

Having said that, your graphs still prove nothing and I'm still waiting for a graph that totally disproves the need for feminism.

I didn't suggest it disproves the need for Feminism, it illustrates the need for what we are calling "Masculism", at least in education as it appears that parity of educational attainment was achieved decades ago and the changes that were made to improve that results of young women now seem to be negatively effecting young men when looking at it from a 10,000 foot perspective. But it does remind me that I was never quite clear on what metrics or observation data we could use to say Feminism has achieved it's major goals.

[harmless]

I'm not sure where you read that Feminism (or any other social rights movement) has finished trying to achieve its goals.

[harmless]

But then, I'm not at all clear that you know what the goals of Feminism are anyway. If you did, you might stop pushing back against it.

[McParadigm]

Broken Iris, I think you missed the bit where I was accusing you of theorising like the theorisers, because, well, that's what people do on the Internet. I just missed the part where you did something other than what you accuse other people of doing. Was it when you started talking about personal experience as if it was observable data and evidence of a thesis?

Isn't personal experience the source of all sociological data?


But here's some data for you:

From hot bed of right-wing thought, UC-Berkley:


Does this look like a society hell-bent on oppressing women or men?

Well, right-wing ideology is classically oppressive towards women, and actually all minorities including my own. So to me that just looks like a couple of graphs.

As for your question, though, I never said that personal experience wasn't as valid as data. I actually think it is; pages back I was replying to a poster who said they were doing one thing rather than another, and it was bullshit. Basically you think I'm saying things that I never said.

(Edit: realised you were probably being sarcastic about the right-wing thing. I know nothing about that university or even about that town. Having said that, your graphs still prove nothing and I'm still waiting for a graph that totally disproves the need for feminism.)

Harm,

Please provide a graph which totally disproves the need for an oppressive police state. Keep in mind that, as you indicated above, any graph which addresses a portion of topic or merely illustrates a trend relative to said topic will be insufficient. Only a graph totally disproving the need for an oppressive police state will do.