HBO Television Show: True Detective

[Coach]

Telling, but short analysis about episode five (and subsequently the whole series) with writer Nic Pizzolatto.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... e-yet.html

As someone who is interested in string and M-theory and theoretical physics in general, this was great.

Best part here

Spoiler: show

Pizzolatto took a bite of his branzino. "Now, think about all the things Cohle is talking about," he said as he finished chewing. "Is he a man railing against an uncaring god? Or is he a character in a TV show railing against his audience? Aren't we the creatures of that higher dimension? The creatures who can see the totality of his world? After all, we get to see all eight episodes of his life. On a flat screen. And we can watch him live that same life over and over again, the exact same way."

The thought was dizzying. Sure, True Detective is a page-turning crime yarn. But at least according to its creator, it's also a meta-page-turning crime yarn—a story about storytelling. Pizzolatto had transformed m-theory into a metaphor for television—and television, perhaps, into a metaphor for existence itself.

"Fuck" as in mind blown.

[numbers]

Woody's line about getting ass cancer and realizing "good times have come and gone" cracked me up.

[Monkey_Driven]

Telling, but short analysis about episode five (and subsequently the whole series) with writer Nic Pizzolatto.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... e-yet.html

As someone who is interested in string and M-theory and theoretical physics in general, this was great.

Best part here

Spoiler: show

Pizzolatto took a bite of his branzino. "Now, think about all the things Cohle is talking about," he said as he finished chewing. "Is he a man railing against an uncaring god? Or is he a character in a TV show railing against his audience? Aren't we the creatures of that higher dimension? The creatures who can see the totality of his world? After all, we get to see all eight episodes of his life. On a flat screen. And we can watch him live that same life over and over again, the exact same way."

The thought was dizzying. Sure, True Detective is a page-turning crime yarn. But at least according to its creator, it's also a meta-page-turning crime yarn—a story about storytelling. Pizzolatto had transformed m-theory into a metaphor for television—and television, perhaps, into a metaphor for existence itself.

"Fuck" as in mind blown.

This shit hurts my head.

[DeLima]

http://mudron.tumblr.com/image/77152802423

[Harry Lime]

That's awesome.

[DeLima]

1 hr to go. The ep6 clip released today (separate from the promo) is great

[psychobain]

well that was prob my least fav episode so far, but it was necessary for the story and great anyway

the last 2 episodes will be really something

nice touch with the broken taillight, 10 years after

[broken iris]

well that was prob my least fav episode so far, but it was necessary for the story and great anyway

the last 2 episodes will be really something

nice touch with the broken taillight, 10 years after

Yeah, it felt like they had to turn the tension and sense of dread way down to start to stitch certain plot points together. I thought Woody was pretty solid through out and the "kill yourself" bit from MM was awesome. I wonder how many cops in similar situations have longed to say just that.

(And I like Lili Simmons on Banshee, but she didn't seem to have the chops to hang with the rest of the cast.)

[Harry Lime]

I love everybody in this show.

And good god, woody. Ass after ass.

[Monkey_Driven]

Is it Sunday yet?

[Simple Torture]

Spiros!

[nyquillyn]

Not a huge fan of last night's episode. I feel like the show is devolving into typical cop show drama. At one point, my wife looked at me and said, "This is such a guys show now". The moodiness and great cinematography were also absent. Still probably the best show on TV, but no longer the "masterpiece" I thought it could be.

[DeLima]

Last night's was the weakest so far, but I remain convinced that 7 and 8 will kill it. Rust interviewing Tuttle was great, and the stuff with Maggie - particularly the final confrontaion with Marty - was tough to watch, which means they got it at least partially right.

We'll see if they can stick the landing.

[Simple Torture]

Not a huge fan of last night's episode. I feel like the show is devolving into typical cop show drama. At one point, my wife looked at me and said, "This is such a guys show now". The moodiness and great cinematography were also absent. Still probably the best show on TV, but no longer the "masterpiece" I thought it could be.

It did seem "pulpy" at times (stole that word from another review I read today, but I felt that way while watching it), with the way it emphasized lust and sex again (although, of course, it's always been in the background since they found Lange's body), but Marty's inevitable fall back into booze and bimbos was a nice acting out of "time is a flat circle." Also, it certainly felt like a "guy's show" in the way that Rust (who's always been a stand-in for us, despite [or maybe because of] his cynicism) finally got to participate in the hump-fest on-screen. But I think there's something deeper going on there, too, which I haven't been able to articulate clearly yet, but it goes something like this: Maggie said pretty bluntly that she thinks Rust has "integrity," and we've been led to believe that all along, for sure, but boning her in the kitchen sure seems like a pretty big crack in his character to me, and one of the biggest we've seen so far (bigger than being an addict or being willing to use violence when he needs to know something); since we've identified with Rust up to this point (at least I have), this was one of the few moments where I threw my hands up (mentally) and said, "Woah, woah, not cool, man!" I'm wondering if this is the first in a line of times we'll back away from Rust in the last couple of episodes, signifying that we've been wrong about him all along. We'll see!

Has anyone read any of Pizzolatto's fiction? i downloaded both his novel and his collection of short stories to see if they're any good, but I probably won't be able to dig into them anytime soon.

[Harry Lime]

It seems the more the show loses its aura of mystery the more you guys will dislike it. Which is the case with this episode. But I liked it. The acting alone sets it apart.

since we've identified with Rust up to this point (at least I have), this was one of the few moments where I threw my hands up (mentally) and said, "Woah, woah, not cool, man!" .

I'm sure if Michelle Monaghan showed up drunk at your place and started rubbing up on your junk that it'd be easy for you to say no.

[DeLima]

Not a huge fan of last night's episode. I feel like the show is devolving into typical cop show drama. At one point, my wife looked at me and said, "This is such a guys show now". The moodiness and great cinematography were also absent. Still probably the best show on TV, but no longer the "masterpiece" I thought it could be.

It did seem "pulpy" at times (stole that word from another review I read today, but I felt that way while watching it), with the way it emphasized lust and sex again (although, of course, it's always been in the background since they found Lange's body), but Marty's inevitable fall back into booze and bimbos was a nice acting out of "time is a flat circle." Also, it certainly felt like a "guy's show" in the way that Rust (who's always been a stand-in for us, despite [or maybe because of] his cynicism) finally got to participate in the hump-fest on-screen. But I think there's something deeper going on there, too, which I haven't been able to articulate clearly yet, but it goes something like this: Maggie said pretty bluntly that she thinks Rust has "integrity," and we've been led to believe that all along, for sure, but boning her in the kitchen sure seems like a pretty big crack in his character to me, and one of the biggest we've seen so far (bigger than being an addict or being willing to use violence when he needs to know something); since we've identified with Rust up to this point (at least I have), this was one of the few moments where I threw my hands up (mentally) and said, "Woah, woah, not cool, man!" I'm wondering if this is the first in a line of times we'll back away from Rust in the last couple of episodes, signifying that we've been wrong about him all along. We'll see!

Has anyone read any of Pizzolatto's fiction? i downloaded both his novel and his collection of short stories to see if they're any good, but I probably won't be able to dig into them anytime soon.

I think the sex scene between Maggie and Rust goes down because Maggie pushes it and Rust is boozing it pretty hard. Not to absolve Rust fully. He does show up at the cop station reddy to take his licks and lets Marty pound him for a bit.

[tommymtcom]

It seems the more the show loses its aura of mystery the more you guys will dislike it. Which is the case with this episode. But I liked it. The acting alone sets it apart.

since we've identified with Rust up to this point (at least I have), this was one of the few moments where I threw my hands up (mentally) and said, "Woah, woah, not cool, man!" .

I'm sure if Michelle Monaghan showed up drunk at your place and started rubbing up on your junk that it'd be easy for you to say no.

Rust was drunk as well and he'd clearly had a thing for Maggie back in 95.

[Harry Lime]

It seems the more the show loses its aura of mystery the more you guys will dislike it. Which is the case with this episode. But I liked it. The acting alone sets it apart.

since we've identified with Rust up to this point (at least I have), this was one of the few moments where I threw my hands up (mentally) and said, "Woah, woah, not cool, man!" .

I'm sure if Michelle Monaghan showed up drunk at your place and started rubbing up on your junk that it'd be easy for you to say no.

Rust was drunk as well and he'd clearly had a thing for Maggie back in 95.

I thought it was more about Marty's kids in 95. I think he liked be around them because of his dead daughter.

[Harry Lime]

Not a huge fan of last night's episode. I feel like the show is devolving into typical cop show drama. At one point, my wife looked at me and said, "This is such a guys show now". The moodiness and great cinematography were also absent. Still probably the best show on TV, but no longer the "masterpiece" I thought it could be.

It did seem "pulpy" at times (stole that word from another review I read today, but I felt that way while watching it), with the way it emphasized lust and sex again (although, of course, it's always been in the background since they found Lange's body), but Marty's inevitable fall back into booze and bimbos was a nice acting out of "time is a flat circle." Also, it certainly felt like a "guy's show" in the way that Rust (who's always been a stand-in for us, despite [or maybe because of] his cynicism) finally got to participate in the hump-fest on-screen. But I think there's something deeper going on there, too, which I haven't been able to articulate clearly yet, but it goes something like this: Maggie said pretty bluntly that she thinks Rust has "integrity," and we've been led to believe that all along, for sure, but boning her in the kitchen sure seems like a pretty big crack in his character to me, and one of the biggest we've seen so far (bigger than being an addict or being willing to use violence when he needs to know something); since we've identified with Rust up to this point (at least I have), this was one of the few moments where I threw my hands up (mentally) and said, "Woah, woah, not cool, man!" I'm wondering if this is the first in a line of times we'll back away from Rust in the last couple of episodes, signifying that we've been wrong about him all along. We'll see!

Has anyone read any of Pizzolatto's fiction? i downloaded both his novel and his collection of short stories to see if they're any good, but I probably won't be able to dig into them anytime soon.

I think the sex scene between Maggie and Rust goes down because Maggie pushes it and Rust is boozing it pretty hard. Not to absolve Rust fully. He does show up at the cop station reddy to take his licks and lets Marty pound him for a bit.

Rust wasn't proud of that at all. "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time."

The him taking it out on Maggie like he did is where I said, "What's up with that?"

[Simple Torture]

It seems the more the show loses its aura of mystery the more you guys will dislike it. Which is the case with this episode. But I liked it. The acting alone sets it apart.

since we've identified with Rust up to this point (at least I have), this was one of the few moments where I threw my hands up (mentally) and said, "Woah, woah, not cool, man!" .

I'm sure if Michelle Monaghan showed up drunk at your place and started rubbing up on your junk that it'd be easy for you to say no.

And I think that's what the show's getting at, too: I'd want to believe I'd say no if the wife of the closest thing I have to a friend (did you notice how many times last night they emphasized that Marty was the only one on Chole's side?) started coming on to me, and that's why I feel like viewers are supposed to feel "against" Rust in this moment, where he's most human and flawed; but on the other hand, it makes us feel more sympathetic for him, since in our lizard brains we know that we'd bend her over too; so it's a "push-away but feel closer at the same time" kind of moment, which I think the show has set up masterfully for weeks. Even though I've seen it written that last night was more of a "get us to another place" episode, I think it actually finalized some plot points in a very cool way.