General Pearl Jam Bitching

[hlniv]

Misconceptions are being perpetuated in here

[William Bloke]

Misconceptions are being perpetuated in here

Welcome to the board!

[hlniv]

Misconceptions are being perpetuated in here

Welcome to the board!

[Iholdthepain]

Misconceptions are being perpetuated in here

Welcome to the board!

Thank you!

[hlniv]

Misconceptions are being perpetuated in here

Welcome to the board!

Thank you!

[William Bloke]

Misconceptions are being perpetuated in here

Welcome to the board!

Thank you!

[Mine]

If Jeff and stone are the least happy with Vitalogy and no code then I'm now convinced they're what is wrong with PJ. But I could be misinformed here.

Add Mike to that. Doesn't contemplating leaving the band alone imply that, even without other quotes.

[Mine]

exactly. Stadium rock is what they were before and what they are now, with exceptions obviously, but that seems to be what they want to be perceived as. "Not stadium rock enough" is their main issue with those 2 records as far as i can tell.
What else do you think their ideas could have been at the time?

WHY ARE YOU SO WEIRD

for you to make this clever comments on my posts.

[Kaius]

If Jeff and stone are the least happy with Vitalogy and no code then I'm now convinced they're what is wrong with PJ. But I could be misinformed here.

Add Mike to that. Doesn't contemplating leaving the band alone imply that, even without other quotes.

Probably

It's sad because I generally like Jeff's songs post-No Code. Stone's too for the most part. But they lose points for not liking those records. Fuck that shit.

[Strat]

where does Mine get his info from?

Pretty certain Ament is gushing abotu Vs. and Vitalogy throughout all th reissure nonsense. Saying how that record sounds as good and strong now as it did back then.

[digster]

I've never seen anything about Stone or Jeff 'hating' those records. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever read anything about any band members hating any of their records, unless saying anything the least bit critical automatically means 'hating.'

[Mine]

where does Mine get his info from?

Pretty certain Ament is gushing abotu Vs. and Vitalogy throughout all th reissure nonsense. Saying how that record sounds as good and strong now as it did back then.

http://articles.mcall.com/2003-07-05/fe ... t-act-band

According to Ament, Pearl Jam reached a crossroads between 1996's "No Code" album and 1998's "Yield."

"There was a point during "No Code' where I was ready to quit because I felt like I had all these ideas that I wanted to contribute and people just weren't interested," Ament says. "Luckily I had some other creative outlets. I had a home studio and I made a couple of records with Three Fish [Ament's side band]. If it wouldn't have been for that, I doubt if I would have stayed in the band. It was a tough environment. It wasn't a creative environment."

Around the time of 1994's "Vitalogy" Pearl Jam became "Ed's band," says Ament, referring to frontman Eddie Vedder. "I think that was him just trying to see what he could do, see how far he could take it. Fortunately, at the end of the "No Code' thing, I think he was just so fried from trying to finish all these songs that Eddie said, "I can't do this anymore."'

[Strat]

Again, says nothing about his feelings for the record. Just frustration with being in the band at the point. They didn't always care for Binaural but Ament has recently said its his favorite record.

[Mine]

I've never seen anything about Stone or Jeff 'hating' those records. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever read anything about any band members hating any of their records, unless saying anything the least bit critical automatically means 'hating.'

"Vitalogy is the first one where Ed plays guitar and he wrote three to four songs. I remember thinking, 'This is so different. Is anyone going to like this?'...It had a more punk feel to it. Simple songs recorded really quickly."[8] The album has a notable lack of guitar solos compared with the band's first two albums. McCready said, "Vitalogy is not really a 'solo' album. I don't think the songs demanded solos; it was more of a rhythmic album."[3]

Would you expect them to explicitly say they hate any of their albums? The fact that they keep on bringing them up every time they promote a new album as examples of the band's low point is quite eloquent. The March Richards interview made it clear enough. I don't think he would have felt the need to say No Code is amazing if he didn't sense they were implying the opposite. Mike's explanation how he re-evaluated it after fans kept saying they really liked it wasn't vague either.

GOSSARD: No matter what, you're going to have a time when some people are going to lose interest in you. We could still sell out live, which took some of the ego sting. But there was definitely a sense of us not delivering the goods in the way that the masses expected from us. It's only in hindsight that it seems all right. Then, I was straining at it. We didn't talk about it. Talk about what? How do we get people to like us again?

Another interesting one about No Code. I guess this one belongs to the moneygrabbing thread.

Their quotes aside. I think you can tell their taste by their music. Pearl Jam mythology has them purposely write music that are less appealing to the masses during Vitalogy and No Code. I disagree with this. I think it's a different approach Ed has, compared to the rest of the band, in writing and arranging that was more prominent on the albums he had more input on. It starts from Rearviewmirror and is present in his songs up to s/t and his solo work. It's an exception more than a rule on the last 2 albums where they collaborate more on the arrangements. If you listen to their songs and take in consideration their influences it's really not surprising that they wouldn't be into albums like Vitalogy and No Code.

[Heathen]

I've never seen anything about Stone or Jeff 'hating' those records. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever read anything about any band members hating any of their records, unless saying anything the least bit critical automatically means 'hating.'

"Vitalogy is the first one where Ed plays guitar and he wrote three to four songs. I remember thinking, 'This is so different. Is anyone going to like this?'...It had a more punk feel to it. Simple songs recorded really quickly."[8] The album has a notable lack of guitar solos compared with the band's first two albums. McCready said, "Vitalogy is not really a 'solo' album. I don't think the songs demanded solos; it was more of a rhythmic album."[3]

Wow so much vitriol in this quote. He must really fucking hate this album, and I speak as an expert in all things hatred.

[digster]

Stone on No Code

"It's a record that is semi-unprofessional, observes Gossard. "We were just kind of winging it and trying stuff that maybe didn't quite work, but sometimes that stuff sounds good ten years later. It's like Rolling Stones records like Emotional Rescue, where they're trying to be funky. It's like, 'Yeah, I don't know...'
"but you listen to it ten years later and go, 'Fuck! That's jamming!' It just goes to show that it takes a while to see that you're making the right moves. I don't think anyone in the band knew that No Code was the right record to make. I think we were like, 'I hope this is good.' It's not that experimental, but it's us. It's really us."

Vicious stuff.

[McParadigm]

What a weird Stones album to chose for a comparison.

[Kaius]

This band is fucking weird

[Kaius]

And so am I, apparently

[Jorge]

Kaius