2013 Official Bootlegs

[CopperTom]

chud's right, but somebody better alert the gremmie.net guy anyways.

There's a lot of 16 bit garbage floating out there as people don't understand HD FLAC / 24 bit. Bad encodes and lots of 'em. Just buy the regular FLAC people.

[Birds in Hell]

Coach: My advice would be to buy the regular (ie. 16/44.1) Apple Lossless files from Nugs/LiveDownloads.

They're identical to the regular FLACs and will import straight into iTunes.

I wouldn't worry about the HD-FLACs, honestly. The difference is relatively small - and your iPod can only play regular 16-bit files (ie. standard FLAC/ALAC/CD quality) in any case so you'd have to do a further conversion in order to transfer them across.

Stick with the ALACs.

Isn't there an Apple app that plays regular FLAC? Leehro's app?

There's no difference in quality between Apple Lossless and FLAC so that's not really necessary.

[Birds in Hell]

chud's right, but somebody better alert the gremmie.net guy anyways.

There's a lot of 16 bit garbage floating out there as people don't understand HD FLAC / 24 bit. Bad encodes and lots of 'em. Just buy the regular FLAC people.

Agreed.

[CopperTom]

chud's right, but somebody better alert the gremmie.net guy anyways.

There's a lot of 16 bit garbage floating out there as people don't understand HD FLAC / 24 bit. Bad encodes and lots of 'em. Just buy the regular FLAC people.

Agreed.

I wish I knew what the correct file size was for each show to help me weed through the junk.

[Coach]

Thanks for the advice guys. I wish I knew more about this stuff. I thought an audio CD represented the best sound quality out there. And thanks for the show recommendations.

[Norah]

Thanks for the advice guys. I wish I knew more about this stuff. I thought an audio CD represented the best sound quality out there. And thanks for the show recommendations.

Audio CDs are the standard, but they aren't the best. The sample rate is 44.1kHz and they're 16 bit in resolution, so anything you burn to CD will be converted to that. HD-Flacs are higher in both resolution and sample rate, thus are of higher audio quality.

[bada]

Chud, if someone played randomly mixed HD FLAC and Audio CD files do you think you could pick which is which with a high percentage? I'm not trying to be a wise ass. I was playing around with that the other day and was getting tripped up on just 320 Kbps over FLAC.

[Hugh Mungus]

Chud, if someone played randomly mixed HD FLAC and Audio CD files do you think you could pick which is which with a high percentage? I'm not trying to be a wise ass. I was playing around with that the other day and was getting tripped up on just 320 Kbps over FLAC.

I bet you 9 times out of 10 I couldn't hear the difference between a good 320 mp3 and a flac recording let alone the difference between flac and HD flac. By the amount of audio snobbery around hear I'm sure most people will say they can.
Then again I might hear a difference on a $5000 stereo or $400 headphones.
Also, are we really at the point that a regular cd doesn't sound good enough anymore?

[VinylGuy]

Chud, if someone played randomly mixed HD FLAC and Audio CD files do you think you could pick which is which with a high percentage? I'm not trying to be a wise ass. I was playing around with that the other day and was getting tripped up on just 320 Kbps over FLAC.

I bet you 9 times out of 10 I couldn't hear the difference between a good 320 mp3 and a flac recording let alone the difference between flac and HD flac. By the amount of audio snobbery around hear I'm sure most people will say they can.
Then again I might hear a difference on a $5000 stereo or $400 headphones.
Also, are we really at the point that a regular cd doesn't sound good enough anymore?

Audio Snobbery is the worst. Its also a great band name.

[Birds in Hell]

chud's right, but somebody better alert the gremmie.net guy anyways.

There's a lot of 16 bit garbage floating out there as people don't understand HD FLAC / 24 bit. Bad encodes and lots of 'em. Just buy the regular FLAC people.

Agreed.

I wish I knew what the correct file size was for each show to help me weed through the junk.

This drives me nuts too.

I've collected all of the shows so far in FLAC but I'm certain some of them have been converted down from 24-bit to 16-bit.

[CopperTom]

chud's right, but somebody better alert the gremmie.net guy anyways.

There's a lot of 16 bit garbage floating out there as people don't understand HD FLAC / 24 bit. Bad encodes and lots of 'em. Just buy the regular FLAC people.

Agreed.

I wish I knew what the correct file size was for each show to help me weed through the junk.

This drives me nuts too.

I've collected all of the shows so far in FLAC but I'm certain some of them have been converted down from 24-bit to 16-bit.

Are there any signs of 24 bit to 16 bit conversion to look for?

[Birds in Hell]

chud's right, but somebody better alert the gremmie.net guy anyways.

There's a lot of 16 bit garbage floating out there as people don't understand HD FLAC / 24 bit. Bad encodes and lots of 'em. Just buy the regular FLAC people.

Agreed.

I wish I knew what the correct file size was for each show to help me weed through the junk.

This drives me nuts too.

I've collected all of the shows so far in FLAC but I'm certain some of them have been converted down from 24-bit to 16-bit.

Are there any signs of 24 bit to 16 bit conversion to look for?

Not really, it's just annoying not knowing whether they were the original 16 bit files or someone's conversion (and you don't know how it was done, whether they did a good job, etc.)

From memory, when they began offering the 24 bit files, they were slightly more dynamic than the 16 bit files (though not by any huge degree). I like to know there's going to be some consistency from show to show if I'm going to make a compilation or mix from at some stage, that's a lot easier if I know they're all from the same initial source.

[Norah]

http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtop ... 69#p131369

[CopperTom]

http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtopic.php?p=131369#p131369

What about between 16 bit and 24 bit?

[Norah]

http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtopic.php?p=131369#p131369

What about between 16 bit and 24 bit?

I rarely listen to anything above 16-bit 44.1k.

[hlniv]

Then one night I came home and was coming down from an acid trip, and decided to put on my headphones and listen to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here album

Drugs

My last acid trip was years ago, but to this day, I still hear elements in the studio Present Tense outro that never would have been there if not for the late stages of one of my last acid trips in 1997.

[Iholdthepain]

Then one night I came home and was coming down from an acid trip, and decided to put on my headphones and listen to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here album

Drugs

My last acid trip was years ago, but to this day, I still hear elements in the studio Present Tense outro that never would have been there if not for the late stages of one of my last acid trips in 1997.

Word. Black Hole Sun and Black come to mind... among others.

[VinylGuy]

Rated R is a great trip album.

[Coach]

This isn't "breaking news" to anyone here, but man, after listening to a 2013 boot (Charlottesville) I am so glad that I never invested any $$ into purchasing boots from the post 2003 era. Clearly, Ed had it going on from '98 to '03. And there's still some '95 shows and early shows (Unplugged) that I'll forever love.

Ed just does not have it in a live format anymore. There are a few exceptions, but in general, all the screeching and failing to reach the high notes was cringe worthy. "Go" sounds like a 15-year-old's voice changing during puberty.

I'd much rather see the band all but eliminate the tours, and just concentrate on cranking out new records, where Ed sounds good because of the studio magic or whatever.

On the plus side, aside from playing everything too fast, drums, bass, guitar all sound great. And having a nice live version of Pendulum will be good moving forward.

[mray10]

Did anybody buy the Phoenix 24bit FLAC from PJ.com? I just realized that the first five tracks of disc two are 16/44 while the rest of the show is the 24/96 I paid for. Anybody else notice this?

The affected tracks are:

D2 T1 Wishlist
D2 T2 Infallible
D2 T3 Do The Evolution
D2 T4 Once
D2 T5 1/2 Full

I sent an email off to PJ.com, so hopefully they'll fix it, but I just noticed after having the show for a week, so I thought I'd mention it here in case anyone else hadn't noticed.

This was rectified pretty shortly after it was initially released.