stupidmop wrote:Isn't I got Shit from the perspective of a stalker? Which makes it less obnoxious , if not less sulky, to me anyway.
If two Mopey Mumble-Matildas stand up and sing "I fight back in my mind! It never lets me be right. I've got memories and a various collection of undefined other stuff I will henceforth refer to as shit because it really sounds like my life is hard if I do it that way! So much, it don't show (except for when I'm belting it out to a bunch of strangers, lol)..." but the second one mumbles something afterwards about the song not being autobiographical, both Mopeys are still drama queening the shit out of their subject matter and both are still saved primarily because Neil Fucking Young.
Well i don't think the lyrics are any more melodramatic than a zillion other pearl jam songs, probably less so than a few too. Idk I've always liked them **shrug**
I'll give you the lyric 'I got memories I got Shit' being kinda amusingly lazy and handwavey though 'Shit, you know, problems...and stuff, yeah'
I'm rooting for Tremor Christ to take the crown again. It's only right.
stupidmop wrote:Isn't I got Shit from the perspective of a stalker? Which makes it less obnoxious , if not less sulky, to me anyway.
If two Mopey Mumble-Matildas stand up and sing "I fight back in my mind! It never lets me be right. I've got memories and a various collection of undefined other stuff I will henceforth refer to as shit because it really sounds like my life is hard if I do it that way! So much, it don't show (except for when I'm belting it out to a bunch of strangers, lol)..." but the second one mumbles something afterwards about the song not being autobiographical, both Mopeys are still drama queening the shit out of their subject matter and both are still saved primarily because Neil Fucking Young.
Well i don't think the lyrics are any more melodramatic than a zillion other pearl jam songs, probably less so than a few too. Idk I've always liked them **shrug**
I'll give you the lyric 'I got memories I got Shit' being kinda amusingly lazy and handwavey though 'Shit, you know, problems...and stuff, yeah'
I'm rooting for Tremor Christ to take the crown again. It's only right.
I don't know, man, even back in the heyday of 90s sad sack rock, I thought Ed was laying it on a little thick on this one. Still, everyone gets the right to feel a little sad sometimes...
stupidmop wrote:Isn't I got Shit from the perspective of a stalker? Which makes it less obnoxious , if not less sulky, to me anyway.
If two Mopey Mumble-Matildas stand up and sing "I fight back in my mind! It never lets me be right. I've got memories and a various collection of undefined other stuff I will henceforth refer to as shit because it really sounds like my life is hard if I do it that way! So much, it don't show (except for when I'm belting it out to a bunch of strangers, lol)..." but the second one mumbles something afterwards about the song not being autobiographical, both Mopeys are still drama queening the shit out of their subject matter and both are still saved primarily because Neil Fucking Young.
Well i don't think the lyrics are any more melodramatic than a zillion other pearl jam songs, probably less so than a few too. Idk I've always liked them **shrug**
I'll give you the lyric 'I got memories I got Shit' being kinda amusingly lazy and handwavey though 'Shit, you know, problems...and stuff, yeah'
I'm rooting for Tremor Christ to take the crown again. It's only right.
I don't know, man, even back in the heyday of 90s sad sack rock, I thought Ed was laying it on a little thick on this one. Still, everyone gets the right to feel a little sad sometimes...
Same. Once the song was familiar this became harder and harder for me to overlook
stupidmop wrote:Isn't I got Shit from the perspective of a stalker? Which makes it less obnoxious , if not less sulky, to me anyway.
If two Mopey Mumble-Matildas stand up and sing "I fight back in my mind! It never lets me be right. I've got memories and a various collection of undefined other stuff I will henceforth refer to as shit because it really sounds like my life is hard if I do it that way! So much, it don't show (except for when I'm belting it out to a bunch of strangers, lol)..." but the second one mumbles something afterwards about the song not being autobiographical, both Mopeys are still drama queening the shit out of their subject matter and both are still saved primarily because Neil Fucking Young.
Well i don't think the lyrics are any more melodramatic than a zillion other pearl jam songs, probably less so than a few too. Idk I've always liked them **shrug**
I'll give you the lyric 'I got memories I got Shit' being kinda amusingly lazy and handwavey though 'Shit, you know, problems...and stuff, yeah'
I'm rooting for Tremor Christ to take the crown again. It's only right.
I don't know, man, even back in the heyday of 90s sad sack rock, I thought Ed was laying it on a little thick on this one. Still, everyone gets the right to feel a little sad sometimes...
Idk it's not any worse than 'my bitter hands cradle broken glass of what was everything' or the rest of that song actually, 'Once upon a time I could love myself' ' I will make my way through one more day in hell' 'scratches all over my arm, one for each day since I fell apart'
Maybe because I like the song so much and dig the whole 'crazy stalker perspective' thing I've blinded myself to it or something.
stupidmop wrote:Idk it's not any worse than 'my bitter hands cradle broken glass of what was everything' or the rest of that song actually, 'Once upon a time I could love myself' ' I will make my way through one more day in hell' 'scratches all over my arm, one for each day since I fell apart'
Maybe because I like the song so much and dig the whole 'crazy stalker perspective' thing I've blinded myself to it or something.
Black is at least specifically aiming at one event-response feeling, and in particular a genuinely dramatic event. Once incorporates storytelling details to establish very clearly that it is, indeed, a story....a peek on the singer's part into someone else's head. He can relate, or empathize, or focus on the negative, but it goes out of its way to say "This is a story by the way."
Id just sort of captures a vague, almost narcissistic kind of self-pity (from a first person point of view)(without effort to distance itself or establish narrative)(and then it cries like a bitch).
stupidmop wrote:Isn't I got Shit from the perspective of a stalker? Which makes it less obnoxious , if not less sulky, to me anyway.
If two Mopey Mumble-Matildas stand up and sing "I fight back in my mind! It never lets me be right. I've got memories and a various collection of undefined other stuff I will henceforth refer to as shit because it really sounds like my life is hard if I do it that way! So much, it don't show (except for when I'm belting it out to a bunch of strangers, lol)..." but the second one mumbles something afterwards about the song not being autobiographical, both Mopeys are still drama queening the shit out of their subject matter and both are still saved primarily because Neil Fucking Young.
Well i don't think the lyrics are any more melodramatic than a zillion other pearl jam songs, probably less so than a few too. Idk I've always liked them **shrug**
I'll give you the lyric 'I got memories I got Shit' being kinda amusingly lazy and handwavey though 'Shit, you know, problems...and stuff, yeah'
I'm rooting for Tremor Christ to take the crown again. It's only right.
I don't know, man, even back in the heyday of 90s sad sack rock, I thought Ed was laying it on a little thick on this one. Still, everyone gets the right to feel a little sad sometimes...
Idk it's not any worse than 'my bitter hands cradle broken glass of what was everything' or the rest of that song actually, 'Once upon a time I could love myself' ' I will make my way through one more day in hell' 'scratches all over my arm, one for each day since I fell apart'
Maybe because I like the song so much and dig the whole 'crazy stalker perspective' thing I've blinded myself to it or something.
It's more than just the lyrics I think. The other songs are tempered a bit by the music and Ed's histrionics (which I love goddamnit, screw the ten haters!).
I don't get the whole narcissism argument. Write lyrics to a few hundred songs, and some of the content is bound to be about personal experiences and 'poor me syndrome' or at least seem so from an outsider's perspective. RM is clearly better, though.
Lots of songs are narcissistic. Sometimes it's done very well and it's emotionally affecting. When it's not, it can ruin a song. I think I Got Shit is pretty far up its own butt, but I buy it, and so it works for me. It's the same way I feel when I disappear up my own butt. It works for me well enough to be one of my ten favorite Pearl Jam songs, as a matter of fact.
Lament wrote:Lots of songs are narcissistic. Sometimes it's done very well and it's emotionally affecting. When it's not, it can ruin a song. I think I Got Shit is pretty far up its own butt, but I buy it, and so it works for me. It's the same way I feel when I disappear up my own butt. It works for me well enough to be one of my ten favorite Pearl Jam songs, as a matter of fact.
I buy it, but it's so far gone, and lingers for so long that the pain turns to an off putting self pity. Once the song made that shift in my mind it lost quite a bit of its power.
Johnny guitar is basically the same story making fun of itself
Iholdthepain wrote:I don't get the whole narcissism argument. Write lyrics to a few hundred songs, and some of the content is bound to be about personal experiences and 'poor me syndrome' or at least seem so from an outsider's perspective. RM is clearly better, though.
'Shit, you know, problems...and stuff, yeah'
