stip wrote:Guys, as a 36 year old person I am sort of embarrassed by what my 15 year old self thought was really cool.
Yep. People seem to be using their teenage selves as some kind of pure barometer on their ideals. In some ways you should use that as a gauge, but in reality, I'm a little embarrassed of my ownself at that time. I definitely think I have mys shit more together now, although if I make to 70, I'll probably be laughing at my late 30s self too.
And Future Days came out back in fucking July. Now that it's being released as a single, you're up in arms about it all over again? Why burn about it all over again? Cause more people will hear it?
stip wrote:Guys, as a 36 year old person I am sort of embarrassed by what my 15 year old self thought was really cool.
Yep. People seem to be using their teenage selves as some kind of pure barometer on their ideals. In some ways you should use that as a gauge, but in reality, I'm a little embarrassed of my ownself at that time. I definitely think I have mys shit more together now, although if I make to 70, I'll probably be laughing at my late 30s self too.
And Future Days came out back in fucking July. Now that it's being released as a single, you're up in arms about it all over again? Why burn about it all over again? Cause more people will hear it?
No. It just another reminder of what Pearl Jam thinks is their best material :\
McParadigm wrote:
Ed, meanwhile, used to be so great at tapping directly into the emotional core of a moment. And now he sounds like he thinks the most presentable way to grow old is not to find new ways to tap into that core, but to keep yourself steered well clear of it. Oh, you still write about emotions, of course...but you do it with an appropriate level of distance. That's his understanding of maturity.
Unfortunately, now it just comes across as if he's writing in a way his 9 year old daughter can understand.
To be honest, from the perspective of a parent, the 9-year-old daughter means everything to him, while your opinion means less than nothing. Just saying.
McParadigm wrote:
Ed, meanwhile, used to be so great at tapping directly into the emotional core of a moment. And now he sounds like he thinks the most presentable way to grow old is not to find new ways to tap into that core, but to keep yourself steered well clear of it. Oh, you still write about emotions, of course...but you do it with an appropriate level of distance. That's his understanding of maturity.
Unfortunately, now it just comes across as if he's writing in a way his 9 year old daughter can understand.
To be honest, from the perspective of a parent, the 9-year-old daughter means everything to him, while your opinion means less than nothing. Just saying.
What is less than nothing?
I think maybe you misunderstood my very brief opinion. I was just adding onto McP's opinion about Ed's current lyric writing on emotions, etc. In my less than nothing valued opinion, they seem so much more elementary, pedestrian, and actually distant than they did in his previous work. Its almost like he's writing in such a simple fashion so his daughter can understand them.
McParadigm wrote:
Ed, meanwhile, used to be so great at tapping directly into the emotional core of a moment. And now he sounds like he thinks the most presentable way to grow old is not to find new ways to tap into that core, but to keep yourself steered well clear of it. Oh, you still write about emotions, of course...but you do it with an appropriate level of distance. That's his understanding of maturity.
Unfortunately, now it just comes across as if he's writing in a way his 9 year old daughter can understand.
To be honest, from the perspective of a parent, the 9-year-old daughter means everything to him, while your opinion means less than nothing. Just saying.
What is less than nothing?
I think maybe you misunderstood my very brief opinion. I was just adding onto McP's opinion about Ed's current lyric writing on emotions, etc. In my less than nothing valued opinion, they seem so much more elementary, pedestrian, and actually distant than they did in his previous work. Its almost like he's writing in such a simple fashion so his daughter can understand them.
Gotcha. Fair point. I guess this is just where he's at at this point. I can't lie--it makes me feel old. RIP PJ?
I like Future Days. I wouldn't think of it as a single from this record, but it's one I haven't gotten tired of after all of these listens. Like most of you I prefer the more organic feel of All or None, but for what it is, Future Days is solid.
Tuolumne wrote:And Future Days came out back in fucking July. Now that it's being released as a single, you're up in arms about it all over again? Why burn about it all over again? Cause more people will hear it?
Think of it this way:
You could either be successful, or be us.
stip wrote:a McP post I couldn't be bothered to read that
This is incomprehendable. It's like saying, I can't be bothered picking up that $100 bill off the floor. There's so much value in his words.
Anyway, I think they're going down the same path as the Just Breath single. i.e. the soppy ballad(-esque) song that caters to a large portion of the commercial radio market.
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stip wrote:Guys, as a 36 year old person I am sort of embarrassed by what my 15 year old self thought was really cool.
Yep. People seem to be using their teenage selves as some kind of pure barometer on their ideals. In some ways you should use that as a gauge, but in reality, I'm a little embarrassed of my ownself at that time. I definitely think I have mys shit more together now, although if I make to 70, I'll probably be laughing at my late 30s self too.
And Future Days came out back in fucking July. Now that it's being released as a single, you're up in arms about it all over again? Why burn about it all over again? Cause more people will hear it?
No. It just another reminder of what Pearl Jam thinks is their best material :\
If this were the case, I'd see the point a little more. But we all know singles are treated differently. They're not better, or necessarily worse, they're just singles. It's never even crossed my mind that the band would think singles are their best material. They've always treated singles with great ambivalance. For better or worse, Future Days is a song you "get" within the first couple listens, hence it's a single. They don't see it as their best song.
stip wrote:Guys, as a 36 year old person I am sort of embarrassed by what my 15 year old self thought was really cool.
Yep. People seem to be using their teenage selves as some kind of pure barometer on their ideals. In some ways you should use that as a gauge, but in reality, I'm a little embarrassed of my ownself at that time. I definitely think I have mys shit more together now, although if I make to 70, I'll probably be laughing at my late 30s self too.
And Future Days came out back in fucking July. Now that it's being released as a single, you're up in arms about it all over again? Why burn about it all over again? Cause more people will hear it?
No. It just another reminder of what Pearl Jam thinks is their best material :\
If this were the case, I'd see the point a little more. But we all know singles are treated differently. They're not better, or necessarily worse, they're just singles. It's never even crossed my mind that the band would think singles are their best material. They've always treated singles with great ambivalance. For better or worse, Future Days is a song you "get" within the first couple listens, hence it's a single. They don't see it as their best song.
They also used to enjoy challenging the audience with singles: Nothing as it seems/who you are
stip wrote:Guys, as a 36 year old person I am sort of embarrassed by what my 15 year old self thought was really cool.
Yep. People seem to be using their teenage selves as some kind of pure barometer on their ideals. In some ways you should use that as a gauge, but in reality, I'm a little embarrassed of my ownself at that time. I definitely think I have mys shit more together now, although if I make to 70, I'll probably be laughing at my late 30s self too.
And Future Days came out back in fucking July. Now that it's being released as a single, you're up in arms about it all over again? Why burn about it all over again? Cause more people will hear it?
No. It just another reminder of what Pearl Jam thinks is their best material :\
If this were the case, I'd see the point a little more. But we all know singles are treated differently. They're not better, or necessarily worse, they're just singles. It's never even crossed my mind that the band would think singles are their best material. They've always treated singles with great ambivalance. For better or worse, Future Days is a song you "get" within the first couple listens, hence it's a single. They don't see it as their best song.
They also used to enjoy challenging the audience with singles: Nothing as it seems/who you are
Who You Are was a great song but bad single. The point of a single is to reach as many listeners as possible to let people know that the band has something out. "Real fans" would have heard Who You Are no matter what, cause they were going to buy the album anyway. They are releasing Future Days cause they want to reach people that may not have the album on their radar at this point.
What do you suggest they release? Pendulum? What would be the point of that? It would perform poorly, and absolutely no new people would hear it. It would be a phony nod to the "real fans" showing them how their still authentic and "legit", knowing full well nobody outside of the fanbase would hear it. It would be a useless fabricated message to the core fan base that they are willing to upend their career just like the good ol'days all for the sake of the fans. It would be fake as all hell. Am I saying anything new here? Nope.
stip wrote:Guys, as a 36 year old person I am sort of embarrassed by what my 15 year old self thought was really cool.
Yep. People seem to be using their teenage selves as some kind of pure barometer on their ideals. In some ways you should use that as a gauge, but in reality, I'm a little embarrassed of my ownself at that time. I definitely think I have mys shit more together now, although if I make to 70, I'll probably be laughing at my late 30s self too.
And Future Days came out back in fucking July. Now that it's being released as a single, you're up in arms about it all over again? Why burn about it all over again? Cause more people will hear it?
No. It just another reminder of what Pearl Jam thinks is their best material :\
If this were the case, I'd see the point a little more. But we all know singles are treated differently. They're not better, or necessarily worse, they're just singles. It's never even crossed my mind that the band would think singles are their best material. They've always treated singles with great ambivalance. For better or worse, Future Days is a song you "get" within the first couple listens, hence it's a single. They don't see it as their best song.
They also used to enjoy challenging the audience with singles: Nothing as it seems/who you are
Binaural had no real radio ready singles. And I'm not sure the purpose of Who You Are was to challenge as much as it was to alienate--at least according to our current band mythology.
In either case it still leaves 8/10 albums where they approached the question of singles reasonably intelligently (maybe not vitalogy either, so 7/10)
Youre missing the point. Pearl Jam used to care about creating art more than reaching a massive audience. Do what they want in hopes that others attach themselves to it. Now it seems to be the opposite. Lets fill arenas. lets get the biggest singalong possible.
stip wrote:Guys, as a 36 year old person I am sort of embarrassed by what my 15 year old self thought was really cool.
Yep. People seem to be using their teenage selves as some kind of pure barometer on their ideals. In some ways you should use that as a gauge, but in reality, I'm a little embarrassed of my ownself at that time. I definitely think I have mys shit more together now, although if I make to 70, I'll probably be laughing at my late 30s self too.
And Future Days came out back in fucking July. Now that it's being released as a single, you're up in arms about it all over again? Why burn about it all over again? Cause more people will hear it?
No. It just another reminder of what Pearl Jam thinks is their best material :\
If this were the case, I'd see the point a little more. But we all know singles are treated differently. They're not better, or necessarily worse, they're just singles. It's never even crossed my mind that the band would think singles are their best material. They've always treated singles with great ambivalance. For better or worse, Future Days is a song you "get" within the first couple listens, hence it's a single. They don't see it as their best song.
They also used to enjoy challenging the audience with singles: Nothing as it seems/who you are
Who You Are was a great song but bad single. The point of a single is to reach as many listeners as possible to let people know that the band has something out. "Real fans" would have heard Who You Are no matter what, cause they were going to buy the album anyway. They are releasing Future Days cause they want to reach people that may not have the album on their radar at this point.
What do you suggest they release? Pendulum? What would be the point of that? It would perform poorly, and absolutely no new people would hear it. It would be a phony nod to the "real fans" showing them how their still authentic and "legit", knowing full well nobody outside of the fanbase would hear it. It would be a useless fabricated message to the core fan base that they are willing to upend their career just like the good ol'days all for the sake of the fans. It would be fake as all hell. Am I saying anything new here? Nope.
I dont think there is any song on lightning bolt that would challenge an audience or grab a larger demographic. you either like pearl jam or you dont at this point. Who gives a shit about radio play anymore? PJ are becoming dinosaurs and are not evolving.
