Pearl Jam fan opinions that VEX, CONFOUND AND BAFFLE you

[stip]

that's entirely possible. I am not crazy about all of those songs (except for Johnny Guitar and maybe Get Right), but I also don't think PJ does irreverence very well. Maybe that reflects baggage I am bringing to the table

[Birds in Hell]

The hate for songs like: Big Wave, Johnny Guitar, Get Right, Supersonic, Ole, Green Disease, and some others. I've read many varying opinions, and of course I'm not attacking all of them, but these songs share a quality: irreverance. I believe alot of PJ fans don't get irreverent songs b/c of the era we came up in ie. alternative music "Grunge revolution" whathaveyou where everything has to be an "important" statement Like a song can't be good unless it's all gritted teeth, "deep" lyrics, and flush epic arrangements. I think somewhere along the way the band felt they wanted simple and melodic and punchy and wanted to put there energy and craft in to these qualities get some songs like that. I for one like those songs and believe it takes alot of skill and artistry to make a song sound so tossed off, and they harken back to the great lost garage rock while still sounding fresh and doing some really cool things in those songs. I do get that some of them may not be the greatest pieces of art ever, but I've seen them get alot of underserved hate.

A rare beast, indeed: a Tuolumne post I'm in complete agreement with.

[Heathen]

The hate for songs like: Big Wave, Johnny Guitar, Get Right, Supersonic, Ole, Green Disease, and some others. I've read many varying opinions, and of course I'm not attacking all of them, but these songs share a quality: irreverance. I believe alot of PJ fans don't get irreverent songs b/c of the era we came up in ie. alternative music "Grunge revolution" whathaveyou where everything has to be an "important" statement Like a song can't be good unless it's all gritted teeth, "deep" lyrics, and flush epic arrangements. I think somewhere along the way the band felt they wanted simple and melodic and punchy and wanted to put there energy and craft in to these qualities get some songs like that. I for one like those songs and believe it takes alot of skill and artistry to make a song sound so tossed off, and they harken back to the great lost garage rock while still sounding fresh and doing some really cool things in those songs. I do get that some of them may not be the greatest pieces of art ever, but I've seen them get alot of underserved hate.

YOU CAN'T BE BAFFLED BY IT IF YOU UNDERSTAND IT

[Wendy Carlos's Twin]

Why do the fans hate fun psychedelic songs like "Evacuation" and "In The Moonlight", and worship the boring crap songs like "Come Back" and "Unthought Known"?

[warehouse]

Why do the fans hate fun psychedelic songs like "Evacuation" and "In The Moonlight", and worship the boring crap songs like "Come Back" and "Unthought Known"?

i never really got "psychedelic" from these 2. evacuation is just sorta garage rock, and in the moonlight as a sorta metal/sludge sorta feel.

in fact im not sure pearl jam has many psychedelic songs. nothing as it seems maybe?

[@SkitchP]

The hate for songs like: Big Wave, Johnny Guitar, Get Right, Supersonic, Ole, Green Disease, and some others. I've read many varying opinions, and of course I'm not attacking all of them, but these songs share a quality: irreverance. I believe alot of PJ fans don't get irreverent songs b/c of the era we came up in ie. alternative music "Grunge revolution" whathaveyou where everything has to be an "important" statement Like a song can't be good unless it's all gritted teeth, "deep" lyrics, and flush epic arrangements. I think somewhere along the way the band felt they wanted simple and melodic and punchy and wanted to put there energy and craft in to these qualities get some songs like that. I for one like those songs and believe it takes alot of skill and artistry to make a song sound so tossed off, and they harken back to the great lost garage rock while still sounding fresh and doing some really cool things in those songs. I do get that some of them may not be the greatest pieces of art ever, but I've seen them get alot of underserved hate.

A rare beast, indeed: a Tuolumne post I'm in complete agreement with.

See, I disagree almost entirely (remove Johnny Guitar, I like that one). Those songs sound so much like they're trying too hard to go back to being "just a couple of guys playing a rock song." They feel contrived, and most of all, boring to me. What you are describing as "sounding tossed off" to me looks like a guy leaning against a light post, snapping his fingers, just trying to show how chill he really is. I don't hear any spontaneous fun in those songs. No "came out of a jam" feel. Honestly, the last song that really worked for me on that level from them was Down.

[Lament]

It's like KISS, only everyone's dead serious.

I've lurked around this board for periods of time going back longer than I'd care to admit, but finally felt it was time to register and comment on something after reading that line.

I have never seen the vast majority of Pearl Jam fans summed up so succinctly. Outstanding work.

[stip]

The hate for songs like: Big Wave, Johnny Guitar, Get Right, Supersonic, Ole, Green Disease, and some others. I've read many varying opinions, and of course I'm not attacking all of them, but these songs share a quality: irreverance. I believe alot of PJ fans don't get irreverent songs b/c of the era we came up in ie. alternative music "Grunge revolution" whathaveyou where everything has to be an "important" statement Like a song can't be good unless it's all gritted teeth, "deep" lyrics, and flush epic arrangements. I think somewhere along the way the band felt they wanted simple and melodic and punchy and wanted to put there energy and craft in to these qualities get some songs like that. I for one like those songs and believe it takes alot of skill and artistry to make a song sound so tossed off, and they harken back to the great lost garage rock while still sounding fresh and doing some really cool things in those songs. I do get that some of them may not be the greatest pieces of art ever, but I've seen them get alot of underserved hate.

A rare beast, indeed: a Tuolumne post I'm in complete agreement with.

See, I disagree almost entirely (remove Johnny Guitar, I like that one). Those songs sound so much like they're trying too hard to go back to being "just a couple of guys playing a rock song." They feel contrived, and most of all, boring to me. What you are describing as "sounding tossed off" to me looks like a guy leaning against a light post, snapping his fingers, just trying to show how chill he really is. I don't hear any spontaneous fun in those songs. No "came out of a jam" feel. Honestly, the last song that really worked for me on that level from them was Down.

I'd like to get on board this skitch train

[stip]

Why do the fans hate fun psychedelic songs like "Evacuation" and "In The Moonlight", and worship the boring crap songs like "Come Back" and "Unthought Known"?

those songs are worshiped? (are they on the main board?)

[Heathen]

Why do the fans hate fun psychedelic songs like "Evacuation" and "In The Moonlight", and worship the boring crap songs like "Come Back" and "Unthought Known"?

those songs are worshiped? (are they on the main board?)

Just as much as the two others are psychedelic.

[Jorge]

Why do the fans hate fun psychedelic songs like "Evacuation" and "In The Moonlight", and worship the boring crap songs like "Come Back" and "Unthought Known"?

those songs are worshiped? (are they on the main board?)

Just as much as the two others are psychedelic.

Seriously

[Birds in Hell]

Psychedelic doesn't necessarily mean lots of swooshy sound effects, guys.

[Heathen]

Psychedelic doesn't necessarily mean lots of swooshy sound effects, guys.

I take psychedelic as either something that makes you feel trippy, floating, mind-altering stuff etc. or that sounds like whoever made it was high as fuck. I don't hear any of that on those songs.

[Jorge]

Psychedelic doesn't necessarily mean lots of swooshy sound effects, guys.

That may be, but it definitely doesn't mean chunky, circular guitar parts against closed-off, precise time signatures that trudge awkwardly ahead. On a musical level, a song like "In the Moonlight" is like the opposite of psychedelia to me. Maybe lyrically.

[darth_vedder]

Psychedelic doesn't necessarily mean lots of swooshy sound effects, guys.

That may be, but it definitely doesn't mean chunky, circular guitar parts against closed-off, precise time signatures that trudge awkwardly ahead. On a musical level, a song like "In the Moonlight" is like the opposite of psychedelia to me. Maybe lyrically.

I don't think "Evacuation" sounds psychedelic at all, even a little bit.

"In The Moonlight" however has bits of psychedelia though (at least I think so). For example, the way Ed sings it, the chorus, and other parts of the songs are a little trippy. There are also weird little guitar noises going on. The 1:17 mark into the chorus is somewhat "trippy".

In someways I guess In The Moonlight is kinda like Evacuation with the clunkiness, but it has a trippy quality to it as well.

[nah]

chunk has no place in trippy! known fact, end of story. trippy has long held notes not malcom young stiff elbow

[liebzz]

chunk has no place in trippy! known fact, end of story. trippy has long held notes not malcom young stiff elbow

You Are has a lot of colliding chunky notes but seems to come off kind of trippy to me.

[broken iris]

that's entirely possible. I am not crazy about all of those songs (except for Johnny Guitar and maybe Get Right), but I also don't think PJ does irreverence very well. Maybe that reflects baggage I am bringing to the table

Is it your baggage or Pearl Jam's? For a long time Pearl Jam was a Very Serious rock band with a Very Serious front-man which has colored their legacy and how all new material is viewed, regardless of how and when they have evolved as people or musicians.

[Blenheim Augustine]

Ten is pretty close to hair metal but is enjoyable as some hair metal is. I much prefer 1994 - 1998.

[VinylGuy]

The hate for songs like: Big Wave, Johnny Guitar, Get Right, Supersonic, Ole, Green Disease, and some others. I've read many varying opinions, and of course I'm not attacking all of them, but these songs share a quality: irreverance. I believe alot of PJ fans don't get irreverent songs b/c of the era we came up in ie. alternative music "Grunge revolution" whathaveyou where everything has to be an "important" statement Like a song can't be good unless it's all gritted teeth, "deep" lyrics, and flush epic arrangements. I think somewhere along the way the band felt they wanted simple and melodic and punchy and wanted to put there energy and craft in to these qualities get some songs like that. I for one like those songs and believe it takes alot of skill and artistry to make a song sound so tossed off, and they harken back to the great lost garage rock while still sounding fresh and doing some really cool things in those songs. I do get that some of them may not be the greatest pieces of art ever, but I've seen them get alot of underserved hate.

Nice to see you are back.