America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

[Fuck You Jobu]

Someone shoot holes in this for me
As to gun ownership for personal safety, the paradox of aggregate applies.
If one person buys a gun for their personal safety, that safety is only assured if nobody else buys a gun.

Not if you're better skilled, faster to the draw, carrying more bullets, shooting first ....

[dimejinky99]

Quick draw McGrath.

Before your time

[CopperTom]

Quick Draw McGraw

[dimejinky99]

McGraw would be derivative of McGrath. Same pronunciation.

The TH is silent.

[Alex]

lol

[Thejambi]

Someone shoot holes in this for me
As to gun ownership for personal safety, the paradox of aggregate applies.
If one person buys a gun for their personal safety, that safety is only assured if nobody else buys a gun. But because everyone buys a gun your safety is greatly diminished through the Collective all behaving in the same way and this increases your likelihood of being shot exponentially.
Like any good paradox it's cyclical and can only be broken when for example guns are outlawed. But none of us see that happening right?
I'm sure I'd refute this logic too if I lived in a dangerous area and wanted to ensure my safety but everyone else being also armed is where the problems kick in. It's an interesting puzzle.

It's not that complicated. Gun safety is, has and always will be contingent on the competence of the one carrying it. You can ban the gun but the people you have to worry about are the ones that don't give a shit about the law to begin with.

[malice]

Someone shoot holes in this for me
As to gun ownership for personal safety, the paradox of aggregate applies.
If one person buys a gun for their personal safety, that safety is only assured if nobody else buys a gun. But because everyone buys a gun your safety is greatly diminished through the Collective all behaving in the same way and this increases your likelihood of being shot exponentially.
Like any good paradox it's cyclical and can only be broken when for example guns are outlawed. But none of us see that happening right?
I'm sure I'd refute this logic too if I lived in a dangerous area and wanted to ensure my safety but everyone else being also armed is where the problems kick in. It's an interesting puzzle.

It's not that complicated. Gun safety is, has and always will be contingent on the competence of the one carrying it. You can ban the gun but the people you have to worry about are the ones that don't give a shit about the law to begin with.

I don't disagree at all with you, but wanted to note that Australia instituted a number of restrictive gun laws that have significantly reduced gun violence over the last, i dunno how long but it at least points to a modern society that has much in common with the US that successfully reduced gun ownership/usage without putting the general public in danger from the segment of the population that doesn't care about the laws...

[McParadigm]

You can ban the gun but the people you have to worry about are the ones that don't give a shit about the law to begin with.

[McParadigm]

Someone shoot holes in this for me
As to gun ownership for personal safety, the paradox of aggregate applies.
If one person buys a gun for their personal safety, that safety is only assured if nobody else buys a gun. But because everyone buys a gun your safety is greatly diminished through the Collective all behaving in the same way and this increases your likelihood of being shot exponentially.
Like any good paradox it's cyclical and can only be broken when for example guns are outlawed. But none of us see that happening right?
I'm sure I'd refute this logic too if I lived in a dangerous area and wanted to ensure my safety but everyone else being also armed is where the problems kick in. It's an interesting puzzle.

It's not that complicated. Gun safety is, has and always will be contingent on the competence of the one carrying it. You can ban the gun but the people you have to worry about are the ones that don't give a shit about the law to begin with.

I don't disagree at all with you, but wanted to note that Australia instituted a number of restrictive gun laws that have significantly reduced gun violence over the last, i dunno how long but it at least points to a modern society that has much in common with the US that successfully reduced gun ownership/usage without putting the general public in danger from the segment of the population that doesn't care about the laws...

But were they as big as Pearl Jam?

I'm only talking about gun laws that were incredibly successful/popular, extra hard rocking, and which lasted more than 15 years.

[malice]

Someone shoot holes in this for me
As to gun ownership for personal safety, the paradox of aggregate applies.
If one person buys a gun for their personal safety, that safety is only assured if nobody else buys a gun. But because everyone buys a gun your safety is greatly diminished through the Collective all behaving in the same way and this increases your likelihood of being shot exponentially.
Like any good paradox it's cyclical and can only be broken when for example guns are outlawed. But none of us see that happening right?
I'm sure I'd refute this logic too if I lived in a dangerous area and wanted to ensure my safety but everyone else being also armed is where the problems kick in. It's an interesting puzzle.

It's not that complicated. Gun safety is, has and always will be contingent on the competence of the one carrying it. You can ban the gun but the people you have to worry about are the ones that don't give a shit about the law to begin with.

I don't disagree at all with you, but wanted to note that Australia instituted a number of restrictive gun laws that have significantly reduced gun violence over the last, i dunno how long but it at least points to a modern society that has much in common with the US that successfully reduced gun ownership/usage without putting the general public in danger from the segment of the population that doesn't care about the laws...

But were they as big as Pearl Jam?

I'm only talking about gun laws that were incredibly successful/popular, extra hard rocking, and which lasted more than 15 years.

if only you'd made a velvet revolver joke instead

[Thejambi]

[BurtReynolds]

The internet has gone completely fucking brain dead this weekend. Apparently everyone thinks this latest spree killing could have been easily avoided if the killer just realized that killing people because you didn't get laid is wrong! Clearly it's an education problem!

[broken iris]

The internet has gone completely fucking brain dead this weekend. Apparently everyone thinks this latest spree killing could have been easily avoided if the killer just realized that killing people because you didn't get laid is wrong! Clearly it's an education problem!

http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm ... ses&id=230

Nature, Nurture and the Unknowable
Date Published 05.27.14

According to his now-infamous manifesto, Elliot Rodger was inspired to attend school in Santa Barbara after his saw the movie Alpha Dog. He thought the kids in that movie seemed like they were having a lot of fun. Alpha Dog, based on a true story, is about young, low-level drug dealers in the LA-area who kidnap and then murder a child after taking him up to Santa Barbara.

I think it’s safe to conclude Rodger’s perception of reality was more than a little off.



Which is why I find it odd that so many otherwise reasonable people are citing Rodger’s “privilege” and “sense of entitlement” as some kind of contributing factor in his violence, as if the image he projected to the world (spoiled rich kid) should be taken at face value and therefore open to judgment. Obsession with status was part of his pathology, something even a cursory read of his manifesto makes clear. Whereas most of us reflexively dislike the sneering teenager in his pricey ride when he drives up in a teen movie, knowing the well-coiffed cad is the villain of the story, Rodger longed to be that guy. What’s surprising is that he seems to have successfully convinced much of the public he was that guy.



He posted pictures on social media whenever he was afforded the slightest privilege, but dig deeper and it appears those moments were fewer and farther between than one might suspect. Some have pointed out how many times in the manifesto he mentions things his parents bought him. Again, those were his priorities. If any of us were to obsessively catalogue the things our parents gave us throughout our lives, we’d all seem wildly overindulged. Dig deeper, and the truth is more complicated. He didn’t go to a posh private high school, but a public school. He lived in apartments at various points in his life. He complains multiple times about his parents’ financial stresses and how they can’t, or won’t, buy him things.



What I find striking is that in a manifesto that seethes with rage at the entire world there’s actually very little hate directed at his parents. By all accounts they got him psychiatric care early and consistently. They were involved and worried for him. In fact, one of the only times Rodger exhibits empathy in the manifesto is when he hypothesizes about killing his father. That, he says, might actually make him feel a little bad.



I don’t know what the full story of Elliot Rodger’s life is going to be, but everything I’ve read, from reliable sources and not the unreliable killer himself, suggests it won’t be that this was a showbiz brat suffering from affluenza. You know what entitled Hollywood kids with homicidal tendencies do? They kill their parents (see Menendez, Erik and Lyle.)



In cases like this, when people rush to snap judgments and rattle off explanations for an offender’s behavior, I’m reminded of a wise point former FBI profiler Roy Hazelwood always makes in interviews and training seminars; I’m not a huge “profiler” fan in general, but in my opinion Hazelwood is the best of them, and I highly recommend his books for anyone interested in learning about criminal behavior. This is an excerpt from an interview he did:

Will it ever be possible to figure out what goes into the development of violent fantasies so that we can devise some kind of prevention?

No. That's the short answer. The long answer is that you have all these people who have all these explanations for violence, but what they fail to consider is the individual. You could take Ted Bundy and identify every single incident in his life and say, "Wow! That makes a serial killer." No, it doesn't. You could take Roy Hazelwood and subject him to exactly those same occurrences, and he wouldn't be a serial killer. Why not? Because of individual make-up and personality characteristics. The same things will impact on Bundy differently than on you or me. You have to take into account the way these factors occur, when they occur, how they occur, the combination in which they occur, and how you assess it. It's like a molecular model. You take any one part out of that model and you don't have the same structure. We're never going to figure that out. The mind is the most complicated part of the human body and we only understand fifteen to twenty percent of it.

[dimejinky99]

My take on this latest killing spree.
The guy had everything materially speaking. Rich parents giving him anything he wanted probably since birth so a sense of entitlement takes hold early on.
But then he comes to his teens and realises there's no substance or real love in the day to day from his parents.
and feels like a now long unwanted accessory that mom and dad are no longer interested in and not having developed any real friendships presumabley cos he's such a spoiled brat, doesn't understand how the real world works but is in pain legitimately felt in his own mind and heart so acts out with the classic 'ill show them. I'll get them all' mentality.
Such a waste. He just needed a pal and someone to call him out on the bullshit delusion had he had anyone be able to get close enoug to confide in.

That's my three beer take.

[oasisfan35]

The internet has gone completely fucking brain dead this weekend. Apparently everyone thinks this latest spree killing could have been easily avoided if the killer just realized that killing people because you didn't get laid is wrong! Clearly it's an education problem!

http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm ... ses&id=230

Nature, Nurture and the Unknowable
Date Published 05.27.14

According to his now-infamous manifesto, Elliot Rodger was inspired to attend school in Santa Barbara after his saw the movie Alpha Dog.

Typo in the first sentence, seriously.

[simple schoolboy]

It seems especially tragic that in the shooting in Isla Vista the parents of the shooter were concerned, and even tried to intervene, and yet despite their efforts*, this still occurred. I'm not convinced that this guy had a mental illness to the degree at which he had diminished culpability. I don't know what else the parents could have done.

Maybe they could have cut him off and made him move back home, but who knows. If he did't reach the criteria of expressed intent to harm to self or others then what else could they have done regarding calling in state assistance?

*Except give him more than $2000 in spending money beyond living expenses, which is a low-ball estimate for 3 semi-automatic handguns and appropriate ammo in high cost of living California.
#Rich people problems

[Bammer]

Another. School. Shooting.

Today in Seattle.

[Heathen]

McP's not wasting any time

[broken iris]

Are we not talking about the rampaging crazy Canadian cop-killer?

[TwoAlarmFire]

LAS VEGAS (FOX5) - Two people who ambushed a pair of officers on Sunday inside a restaurant died as additional law enforcement closed in on the suspects, police said.

A bystander shot by the suspects also died.

Las Vegas Metro police said the shooting happened in a shopping center in the 300 block of North Nellis Boulevard, near Stewart Avenue, about 11:30 a.m.

According to Assistant Sheriff Kevin McMahill, two people walked into the Cici's Pizza restaurant and shot two Metro officers. The suspects took the officers' weapons and ammunition with them before fleeing.

McMahill said the pair then walked over to a nearby Walmart, where the suspects shot and killed a bystander.

The shooting prompted SWAT officers to be called as the suspects moved to the back of the store.

McMahill said the suspects died when officers arrived. It was not clear, though, whether they died as a result of a direct confrontation with police.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/25723152 ... s-shooting

LAS VEGAS (KSNV MyNews3.com) -- A Metro source has confirmed that two police officers died today, victims of a shooting in the northeast part of the valley.

The source said one officer was shot and killed about 11:30 a.m. at Cici's Pizza at 309 N. Nellis Ave. The other officer was shot there and died while in surgery at UMC.

At a 1:30 p.m. news conference Metro said one person was killed inside Walmart and two suspects were killed in the back of the store.

The two suspects told other shoppers that they were part of a revolution and wanted a shootout with Metro. However, they had a suicide pact and killed themselves.

A Metro radio call at 11:50 a.m. said a man was armed with the rifle and a bullet-proof vest and was shooting inside the Walmart.

A chronology of some of the events, some still unconfirmed:

11:38: a.m. -- The first radio call said officers were down at 309 North Nellis which is a Cici's Pizza. It appears two people walked in and shot two Metro police officers.

12:00 p.m. -- Metro SWAT units have entered the Walmart store.

12:02 p.m. -- A Metro radio call says there is one body in aisle 11 at Walmart.

12:16 P.M. -- Metro's armor unit is en route to the scene.

12:35 p.m. -- A radio call indicated that a victim was located in one aisle and that two suspects were on the floor in the northwest corner of the store.

http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/sto ... pXz6A.cspx


This just happened a little while ago, so we'll see if any new information comes out. Some people were saying that the officers (or at least one of them) was shot in the head and that one of the (dead) suspects was a female. I will never understand murder - suicides, why not just skip to the second part? I seriously hate people somedays. Metro kinda has a bad reputation in this town for being trigger happy and what not, but not all of the officers are bad. This just makes me sad.

EDIT: I guess the female suspect killed the male suspect and then killed herself. I think a lot of people were hoping that Metro did the deed. Thos whole thing is very...odd. They killed the bystander just inside the Walmart, but once further inside (according to witnesses) they were shotting in the air and telling people to vacate. So killing the bystander makes no sense. Someone interviewed one of the suspects neighbors and he said they were anti-government and all that. It'll be interesting to see what they find in the residence. While the whole "revolution" saying by the suspects has not been confirmed, this is still a good article:

http://journalofamadman.com/killing-cop ... lutionary/