Re: Era of the moment: 1995-1996

[liebzz]

I listened to Side A of No Code last night because that was all I had time for and I've been following this discussion. I really really love Side A maybe more than any Side A ever. The Sometimes-->Hail Hail has been discussed, but In My Tree-->Smile might be my favorite 1-2 punch in all of the albums.

[EJ]

After reading this thread, I've been listening to the album quite a bit. And, I'm addicted to Hail, Hail right now.

[Blenheim Augustine]

The sometimes--hail hail jump wouldn't bother me as much if a different song followed hail hail

"The progression from "Hail Hail" to "Who You Are" works because of how "Hail Hail" ends"

Yeah, I have no problem with that transition. Again, my issue with all this is that I think there is no need to destroy the mood created by sometimes

1. Sometimes - Hail Hail transition wouldn't bother you if a different song followed Hail Hail
2. There is no issue with the transition from Hail Hail to Who You Are
3. The main issue is with the transition between Sometimes and Hail Hail

I'm confused - can you explain how those three statements can co-exist?

[Norah]

(although how often do they do long road--breakerfall--hard to imagine).

pretty sure they've never done that

[liebzz]

In cross examination, this is referred to impeaching the witness.

[Jorge]

LET'S FUCK STIP('s opinions) IN THE ASS

[elliseamos]

LET'S FUCK STIP('s opinions) IN THE ASS

I say we scalp'em, then we tattoo'em, then we hang'em, then we fuck'em in the ass!!

[McParadigm]

LET'S FUCK STIP('s opinions) IN THE ASS

I say we scalp'em, then we tattoo'em, then we hang'em, then we fuck'em in the ass!!

[elliseamos]

LET'S FUCK STIP('s opinions) IN THE ASS

I say we scalp'em, then we tattoo'em, then we hang'em, then we fuck'em in the ass!!

yup, that was my joke. thanks for helping.

[McParadigm]

LET'S FUCK STIP('s opinions) IN THE ASS

I say we scalp'em, then we tattoo'em, then we hang'em, then we fuck'em in the ass!!

yup, that was my joke. thanks for helping.

[elliseamos]

LET'S FUCK STIP('s opinions) IN THE ASS

I say we scalp'em, then we tattoo'em, then we hang'em, then we fuck'em in the ass!!

yup, that was my joke. thanks for helping.

[stip]

The sometimes--hail hail jump wouldn't bother me as much if a different song followed hail hail

"The progression from "Hail Hail" to "Who You Are" works because of how "Hail Hail" ends"

Yeah, I have no problem with that transition. Again, my issue with all this is that I think there is no need to destroy the mood created by sometimes

1. Sometimes - Hail Hail transition wouldn't bother you if a different song followed Hail Hail
2. There is no issue with the transition from Hail Hail to Who You Are
3. The main issue is with the transition between Sometimes and Hail Hail

I'm confused - can you explain how those three statements can co-exist?

Probably.

[stip]

my issue is that I think the hail hail transition destroys the mood that (I think) they are trying to create on the a-side.

1. Sometimes - Hail Hail transition wouldn't bother you if a different song followed Hail Hail
2. There is no issue with the transition from Hail Hail to Who You Are
3. The main issue is with the transition between Sometimes and Hail Hail

1. If they were not necessarily going right back to the run of contemplative songs, so HH didn't feel like a disruptive blip, I probably wouldn't mind that much (I don't like it, but my only issue is that I don't like the transition--it does not interfere with the larger record)

2. No, as far as a transition goes that is fine. the damage is done at the start of the song. the transition into Who You Are is okay, but it still feels like I'm starting over on the album--that sometimes becomes irrelevant. the problem is that Who You Are being there makes me think that sometimes was supposed to matter and that hail hail is in the way. That's a sequencing issue for me perhaps (if you take HH as something that has to be there and will sound this way regardless) but not a transition issue.

3. Yes

[Hatfield]

After reading this thread, I've been listening to the album quite a bit. And, I'm addicted to Hail, Hail right now.

Is Stone using a slide on the guitar? This might be my favorite rhythm guitar on a Pearl jam record.

No Code is such a thick sounding album. The depth that BoB was able to capture in the studio is one of the aspects I enjoy most about that record. Hail, Hail on Binaural wouldn't sound half as good (see Greivance).

[digster]

Stip, I think I've mentioned this before, but I think it's still a stretch just because I'm not really sure how Sometimes and Who You Are are operating on the same plane....maybe lyrically but there's a pretty fair gulf between them sonically and in terms of atmosphere. I really don't see how the two songs following Hail Hail are just a re-do of Sometimes. Really, I think the parts that feel the most like Sometimes come later in the record (Present Tense, I'm Open). Not so much Who You Are or In My Tree.

[digster]

oh come on. A live show and an album are very different. I'm not saying that this had to be a reason, but the fact that live shows follow a similar pattern isn't relevant (although how often do they do long road--breakerfall--hard to imagine).

I think you're going further with that statement than it was intended...it was merely to say that the notion of a soft song followed by a barnburner was not something that struck the band as something they would never do. I wasn't saying they were trying to 'recreate' the feel of a live show.

[nightmareblack0206]

Look for the next thread of this series tomorrow. .......

This time frame was a hot topic on the board which is why I waited a bit

[stip]

Stip, I think I've mentioned this before, but I think it's still a stretch just because I'm not really sure how Sometimes and Who You Are are operating on the same plane....maybe lyrically but there's a pretty fair gulf between them sonically and in terms of atmosphere. I really don't see how the two songs following Hail Hail are just a re-do of Sometimes. Really, I think the parts that feel the most like Sometimes come later in the record (Present Tense, I'm Open). Not so much Who You Are or In My Tree.

that's true, but I feel like there is n atmospheric progression that would be happening without hail hail (as existing) there

[mray10]

I guess I'm sort of on Stip's side here, but I honestly can't really follow on the arguments he's making. For me, it's just an aesthetic thing I don't like. Hail Hail just feels out of place as the only really aggressive, loud song in that initial run.

That said, the "original tracklist" had the same kind of thing going on except it was Habit in that spot instead of Hail Hail. This lends some credence anyway to the argument that they wanted a jarring transition, sonically. But buy would that have been worse. At least now the first five songs on the album are all very good songs, in my opinion, even if they don't flow especially well. Habit really wouldn't have worked there for me.

Someone also suggested earlier, and maybe rightly so, that some of this might just be the product of how Stip (and I) feels about the album as a whole. For me, because there are quite a few clunky spots on the record, it's harder to agree with an argument that this beginning is the start of a magical journey. For me, it's not. The first five songs on the record are five of the better songs that made the cut, but I've always had a such a general lack of affection for Off He Goes, Habit, Lukin, and Mankind that the album has never been one that I can look at fairly as a complete entity.

[McParadigm]

Why do I solve this shit if you people are just gonna go on and on and on like nothing has happened?

It's like Binaural all over again.