Eddie Vedder sings 'Let it Go'

[Iholdthepain]

(Ed looks REALLY young - he hasn't aged well....)

Interesting. Dammit, I still love them, but I hate what they've become. Thoughts?

Age is the great equalizer...

or diarrhea.

[stip]

LuNY-tic

Iholdthepain-inmyhemorrhoid

Damn, dude... That one hurts.

I gotta say, you lost me when you said they became amazing in 1998. That was close to the time they started slipping out of amazing status, became great for about 5-7 years, then eventually slipped into the self-celebratory, sell-out, turn-their-back-on-their-own-principles joke of a classic rock band that they are now.

Yes, I buy into the post-Riot Act moneygrab theory.

"Roll role models in blood..."

How did they sell out exactly? You lost me there, and if you bring up Target you must remember what Jeff said in an interview on that subject. He talked about Targets philanthropy which was one of the biggest reasons they went with it. I can't imagine what the hell else you would be talking about. Role models in blood. Is that about his wife? Ever think she is just a great person who happened to model? How did they turn their backs on own principles? You lost me there. They are a big band, they were signed to Epic from the start, what are you talking about?

Well, for starters, there's the Ticketmaster thing. Yeah, I remember interviews from Jeff... the one where he talks about wanting to keep ticket prices down. He related it to when he was a kid and wanted to go see shows, but they were just too damn expensive. Now I have to pay $100 for a Ticketmaster ticket to sit up in the wings of a sold-out arena... after TM and the band BOTH gouge the fans. But I guess it's as easy as supply and demand to them now. Oh, and philanthropy, my ass! It was a huge (and terrible) attempt to get back into the mainstream and sell more records. There's the pop-up merch booths, where YES the merch has become more important than the music for this band. Speaking of merch... a fucking Mystery Box??? Dog collars? etc... Don't they now have ANOTHER version of Ten that they're pushing? I know every band wants to make more money, but jeez! At what point does PJ look in the mirror and self-reflect?

Oh, and careful who you shit on, because she just may become your future wife... and YES, I'm sure she's a great person. If nothing else, she successfully donated great genes to help create a beautiful little girl... Thank GOD the Oh, Beth lines were cut from the boots.

One more thing... singing 'Let It Go' as a request from your kid is cool. Just don't put it in the middle of a song about incest, FFS!

OK, maybe this isn't the thread for this, as I don't have a problem with the 15-second cover (although it's a damn shame this is the most publicity they've gotten since Last Kiss).

I was watching "Hype!" (from 1996 - you know the documentary on how everyone cashed in on the "Seattle Scene") and this REALLY jumped out at me. Ed says:

"And they'll just keep taking and taking and taking. And they just don't know how to restrain themselves. You know, they're frothing at the mouth over this. And the bands aren't, I mean the bands aren't really in it for dough. I mean, they just aren't. That would...if they were...that would (holds hand up and drops it down in a tipping motion)...tip over the music."

(Ed looks REALLY young - he hasn't aged well....)

Interesting. Dammit, I still love them, but I hate what they've become. Thoughts?

signed,

TFR (sellout)

I had a whole response to this typed up from the perspective of someone with a pretty aggressive anti corporate personal politics who has no real issue with most of modern pearl jams decisions, but the fucking touch screen interface just ate it. I'll respond tonight. Not that it'll be anything I haven't said here before. But the tl/dr version will be that I don't believe pearl jam is currently compromising its art to make money. I think most peoples current issue is eddies voice and the rest of this is just people looking for other reasons why they aren't into the band as much anymore

And the anti corporate stuff was mostly aesthetic with pearl jam. They were not Ani difranco or fugazi. It was posturing. Part of the uniform. Like flannel. They probably believed that it said something meaningful and important. I'm not sure it did. But it FELT like it did, and though the head discovered there wasn't much to it the heart still mourns.

Finally, lest we forget, The two places where they actually adopted meaningful positions and followed them up with concrete actions (ticketmaster and videos) they walked back during yield. But no one cared then because they liked the music more

[OmegaprimeVKM]

A band that earns millions from touring is not anti-corporate, and never were.

They simply didn't like the idea of organisations profiteering from their marketability for their own interest - "Not For You" and the Ticketmaster dispute. I'm sure that still stands. $20 for gig tickets in 1994 is akin to $60 in 2014.

That being said, singing Disney shit is still:

[knee tunes]

The way I feel about Peal Jam performing a part of this song is so the fu ck what.



seriously



same with the quality of Ed's singing while performing said part of said song.....

[Bob Loblaw]

It would be a lot easier for me to deal with Eddie's crappy voice if their songs weren't shit.

[Leatherhead]

That being said, singing Disney shit is still:

Not when he did it because his daughter wanted him to.

[mastaflatch]

That being said, singing Disney shit is still:

Not when he did it because his daughter wanted him to.

back at the Cavern in '61 Eddie would have told his daughter to shut the f*ck up.

[Heathen]

That being said, singing Disney shit is still:

Not when he did it because his daughter wanted him to.

back at the Cavern in '61 Eddie would have told his daughter to shut the f*ck up.

then he would have fucked her sister

[Iholdthepain]

That being said, singing Disney shit is still:

Not when he did it because his daughter wanted him to.

back at the Cavern in '61 Eddie would have told his daughter to shut the f*ck up.

then he would have fucked her sister

That would be the most appropriate move... It was, after all, tagged between Daughter and 'It's OK'...

I think this quote accordion just went full circle

[Iholdthepain]

LuNY-tic

Iholdthepain-inmyhemorrhoid

Damn, dude... That one hurts.

I gotta say, you lost me when you said they became amazing in 1998. That was close to the time they started slipping out of amazing status, became great for about 5-7 years, then eventually slipped into the self-celebratory, sell-out, turn-their-back-on-their-own-principles joke of a classic rock band that they are now.

Yes, I buy into the post-Riot Act moneygrab theory.

"Roll role models in blood..."

How did they sell out exactly? You lost me there, and if you bring up Target you must remember what Jeff said in an interview on that subject. He talked about Targets philanthropy which was one of the biggest reasons they went with it. I can't imagine what the hell else you would be talking about. Role models in blood. Is that about his wife? Ever think she is just a great person who happened to model? How did they turn their backs on own principles? You lost me there. They are a big band, they were signed to Epic from the start, what are you talking about?

Well, for starters, there's the Ticketmaster thing. Yeah, I remember interviews from Jeff... the one where he talks about wanting to keep ticket prices down. He related it to when he was a kid and wanted to go see shows, but they were just too damn expensive. Now I have to pay $100 for a Ticketmaster ticket to sit up in the wings of a sold-out arena... after TM and the band BOTH gouge the fans. But I guess it's as easy as supply and demand to them now. Oh, and philanthropy, my ass! It was a huge (and terrible) attempt to get back into the mainstream and sell more records. There's the pop-up merch booths, where YES the merch has become more important than the music for this band. Speaking of merch... a fucking Mystery Box??? Dog collars? etc... Don't they now have ANOTHER version of Ten that they're pushing? I know every band wants to make more money, but jeez! At what point does PJ look in the mirror and self-reflect?

Oh, and careful who you shit on, because she just may become your future wife... and YES, I'm sure she's a great person. If nothing else, she successfully donated great genes to help create a beautiful little girl... Thank GOD the Oh, Beth lines were cut from the boots.

One more thing... singing 'Let It Go' as a request from your kid is cool. Just don't put it in the middle of a song about incest, FFS!

OK, maybe this isn't the thread for this, as I don't have a problem with the 15-second cover (although it's a damn shame this is the most publicity they've gotten since Last Kiss).

I was watching "Hype!" (from 1996 - you know the documentary on how everyone cashed in on the "Seattle Scene") and this REALLY jumped out at me. Ed says:

"And they'll just keep taking and taking and taking. And they just don't know how to restrain themselves. You know, they're frothing at the mouth over this. And the bands aren't, I mean the bands aren't really in it for dough. I mean, they just aren't. That would...if they were...that would (holds hand up and drops it down in a tipping motion)...tip over the music."

(Ed looks REALLY young - he hasn't aged well....)

Interesting. Dammit, I still love them, but I hate what they've become. Thoughts?

signed,

TFR (sellout)

I had a whole response to this typed up from the perspective of someone with a pretty aggressive anti corporate personal politics who has no real issue with most of modern pearl jams decisions, but the fucking touch screen interface just ate it. I'll respond tonight. Not that it'll be anything I haven't said here before. But the tl/dr version will be that I don't believe pearl jam is currently compromising its art to make money. I think most peoples current issue is eddies voice and the rest of this is just people looking for other reasons why they aren't into the band as much anymore

And the anti corporate stuff was mostly aesthetic with pearl jam. They were not Ani difranco or fugazi. It was posturing. Part of the uniform. Like flannel. They probably believed that it said something meaningful and important. I'm not sure it did. But it FELT like it did, and though the head discovered there wasn't much to it the heart still mourns.

Finally, lest we forget, The two places where they actually adopted meaningful positions and followed them up with concrete actions (ticketmaster and videos) they walked back during yield. But no one cared then because they liked the music more

I cared then, and was pretty dumbfounded, even in 1998, when I first noticed they went back to TM. Honestly, I'm pretty turned off by how they went from disguising their greed (if that's what they did) to becoming a two-bit whore of a band, leaching their already rich-asses onto their fans with stupid shit like mystery boxes, dog collars, socks, site-specific stuff, pop-up booths, digital/analog memberships, ridiculous ticket prices, etc.

That being said... I still love nearly all of their recorded music, and I keep coming back to their shows. I know most bands do all of this same shit, and maybe that is what initially set Pearl Jam apart from the rest of the pack back in the day... to me.

[Lament]

back at the Cavern in '61 Eddie would have told his daughter to shut the f*ck up.

.

[stip]

LuNY-tic

Iholdthepain-inmyhemorrhoid

Damn, dude... That one hurts.

I gotta say, you lost me when you said they became amazing in 1998. That was close to the time they started slipping out of amazing status, became great for about 5-7 years, then eventually slipped into the self-celebratory, sell-out, turn-their-back-on-their-own-principles joke of a classic rock band that they are now.

Yes, I buy into the post-Riot Act moneygrab theory.

"Roll role models in blood..."

How did they sell out exactly? You lost me there, and if you bring up Target you must remember what Jeff said in an interview on that subject. He talked about Targets philanthropy which was one of the biggest reasons they went with it. I can't imagine what the hell else you would be talking about. Role models in blood. Is that about his wife? Ever think she is just a great person who happened to model? How did they turn their backs on own principles? You lost me there. They are a big band, they were signed to Epic from the start, what are you talking about?

Well, for starters, there's the Ticketmaster thing. Yeah, I remember interviews from Jeff... the one where he talks about wanting to keep ticket prices down. He related it to when he was a kid and wanted to go see shows, but they were just too damn expensive. Now I have to pay $100 for a Ticketmaster ticket to sit up in the wings of a sold-out arena... after TM and the band BOTH gouge the fans. But I guess it's as easy as supply and demand to them now. Oh, and philanthropy, my ass! It was a huge (and terrible) attempt to get back into the mainstream and sell more records. There's the pop-up merch booths, where YES the merch has become more important than the music for this band. Speaking of merch... a fucking Mystery Box??? Dog collars? etc... Don't they now have ANOTHER version of Ten that they're pushing? I know every band wants to make more money, but jeez! At what point does PJ look in the mirror and self-reflect?

Oh, and careful who you shit on, because she just may become your future wife... and YES, I'm sure she's a great person. If nothing else, she successfully donated great genes to help create a beautiful little girl... Thank GOD the Oh, Beth lines were cut from the boots.

One more thing... singing 'Let It Go' as a request from your kid is cool. Just don't put it in the middle of a song about incest, FFS!

OK, maybe this isn't the thread for this, as I don't have a problem with the 15-second cover (although it's a damn shame this is the most publicity they've gotten since Last Kiss).

I was watching "Hype!" (from 1996 - you know the documentary on how everyone cashed in on the "Seattle Scene") and this REALLY jumped out at me. Ed says:

"And they'll just keep taking and taking and taking. And they just don't know how to restrain themselves. You know, they're frothing at the mouth over this. And the bands aren't, I mean the bands aren't really in it for dough. I mean, they just aren't. That would...if they were...that would (holds hand up and drops it down in a tipping motion)...tip over the music."

(Ed looks REALLY young - he hasn't aged well....)

Interesting. Dammit, I still love them, but I hate what they've become. Thoughts?

signed,

TFR (sellout)

I had a whole response to this typed up from the perspective of someone with a pretty aggressive anti corporate personal politics who has no real issue with most of modern pearl jams decisions, but the fucking touch screen interface just ate it. I'll respond tonight. Not that it'll be anything I haven't said here before. But the tl/dr version will be that I don't believe pearl jam is currently compromising its art to make money. I think most peoples current issue is eddies voice and the rest of this is just people looking for other reasons why they aren't into the band as much anymore

And the anti corporate stuff was mostly aesthetic with pearl jam. They were not Ani difranco or fugazi. It was posturing. Part of the uniform. Like flannel. They probably believed that it said something meaningful and important. I'm not sure it did. But it FELT like it did, and though the head discovered there wasn't much to it the heart still mourns.

Finally, lest we forget, The two places where they actually adopted meaningful positions and followed them up with concrete actions (ticketmaster and videos) they walked back during yield. But no one cared then because they liked the music more

I cared then, and was pretty dumbfounded, even in 1998, when I first noticed they went back to TM. Honestly, I'm pretty turned off by how they went from disguising their greed (if that's what they did) to becoming a two-bit whore of a band, leaching their already rich-asses onto their fans with stupid shit like mystery boxes, dog collars, socks, site-specific stuff, pop-up booths, digital/analog memberships, ridiculous ticket prices, etc.

That being said... I still love nearly all of their recorded music, and I keep coming back to their shows. I know most bands do all of this same shit, and maybe that is what initially set Pearl Jam apart from the rest of the pack back in the day... to me.

I don't think any of this is greed, then or now. Greed requires a degree of compromise that I don't think is present.

And I am really starting to hate how condescending the 10c merchandise critique is. Some people like buying that stuff. They're collectors. It makes them happy. They shouldn't make that material available because someone who has no intention of buying it doesn't like it. Then by all means, please explain to everyone (including many RMers) who enjoys collecting why they're exploited morons and produce a list of the products that a fan club can make available for its fans. That would be very helpful.

These guys make hundreds of thousands of dollars per show, I believe. And yet you really, truly, in your heart of hearts, think that the money that comes from selling pearl jam beer cozies or a few mystery boxes is of any consequence to the band?

They sell this crap (and I don't buy any of it either, but it's non-essential and I feel no pressure to buy it) because it is a way to keep a certain subsection of core fans engaged when there is no music. It's niche stuff for a niche market that makes no demands whatsoever on people who are not interested.

I agree the fan club membership is probably a bit overpriced. Tickets are more expensive but they're at or below the level of their peers, and the shows are long and excellent, so its not like they're charging you for an 18 song hour and a half greatest hits show.

[@SkitchP]

its not like they're charging you for an 18 song hour and a half greatest hits show.

Yeah guys, stips right. We get a 2 and a half hour disney singalong!

[stip]

And think of how much Disney would have charged for it!

[Leatherhead]

LuNY-tic

Iholdthepain-inmyhemorrhoid

Damn, dude... That one hurts.

I gotta say, you lost me when you said they became amazing in 1998. That was close to the time they started slipping out of amazing status, became great for about 5-7 years, then eventually slipped into the self-celebratory, sell-out, turn-their-back-on-their-own-principles joke of a classic rock band that they are now.

Yes, I buy into the post-Riot Act moneygrab theory.

"Roll role models in blood..."

How did they sell out exactly? You lost me there, and if you bring up Target you must remember what Jeff said in an interview on that subject. He talked about Targets philanthropy which was one of the biggest reasons they went with it. I can't imagine what the hell else you would be talking about. Role models in blood. Is that about his wife? Ever think she is just a great person who happened to model? How did they turn their backs on own principles? You lost me there. They are a big band, they were signed to Epic from the start, what are you talking about?

Well, for starters, there's the Ticketmaster thing. Yeah, I remember interviews from Jeff... the one where he talks about wanting to keep ticket prices down. He related it to when he was a kid and wanted to go see shows, but they were just too damn expensive. Now I have to pay $100 for a Ticketmaster ticket to sit up in the wings of a sold-out arena... after TM and the band BOTH gouge the fans. But I guess it's as easy as supply and demand to them now. Oh, and philanthropy, my ass! It was a huge (and terrible) attempt to get back into the mainstream and sell more records. There's the pop-up merch booths, where YES the merch has become more important than the music for this band. Speaking of merch... a fucking Mystery Box??? Dog collars? etc... Don't they now have ANOTHER version of Ten that they're pushing? I know every band wants to make more money, but jeez! At what point does PJ look in the mirror and self-reflect?

Oh, and careful who you shit on, because she just may become your future wife... and YES, I'm sure she's a great person. If nothing else, she successfully donated great genes to help create a beautiful little girl... Thank GOD the Oh, Beth lines were cut from the boots.

One more thing... singing 'Let It Go' as a request from your kid is cool. Just don't put it in the middle of a song about incest, FFS!

OK, maybe this isn't the thread for this, as I don't have a problem with the 15-second cover (although it's a damn shame this is the most publicity they've gotten since Last Kiss).

I was watching "Hype!" (from 1996 - you know the documentary on how everyone cashed in on the "Seattle Scene") and this REALLY jumped out at me. Ed says:

"And they'll just keep taking and taking and taking. And they just don't know how to restrain themselves. You know, they're frothing at the mouth over this. And the bands aren't, I mean the bands aren't really in it for dough. I mean, they just aren't. That would...if they were...that would (holds hand up and drops it down in a tipping motion)...tip over the music."

(Ed looks REALLY young - he hasn't aged well....)

Interesting. Dammit, I still love them, but I hate what they've become. Thoughts?

signed,

TFR (sellout)

I had a whole response to this typed up from the perspective of someone with a pretty aggressive anti corporate personal politics who has no real issue with most of modern pearl jams decisions, but the fucking touch screen interface just ate it. I'll respond tonight. Not that it'll be anything I haven't said here before. But the tl/dr version will be that I don't believe pearl jam is currently compromising its art to make money. I think most peoples current issue is eddies voice and the rest of this is just people looking for other reasons why they aren't into the band as much anymore

And the anti corporate stuff was mostly aesthetic with pearl jam. They were not Ani difranco or fugazi. It was posturing. Part of the uniform. Like flannel. They probably believed that it said something meaningful and important. I'm not sure it did. But it FELT like it did, and though the head discovered there wasn't much to it the heart still mourns.

Finally, lest we forget, The two places where they actually adopted meaningful positions and followed them up with concrete actions (ticketmaster and videos) they walked back during yield. But no one cared then because they liked the music more

I cared then, and was pretty dumbfounded, even in 1998, when I first noticed they went back to TM. Honestly, I'm pretty turned off by how they went from disguising their greed (if that's what they did) to becoming a two-bit whore of a band, leaching their already rich-asses onto their fans with stupid shit like mystery boxes, dog collars, socks, site-specific stuff, pop-up booths, digital/analog memberships, ridiculous ticket prices, etc.

That being said... I still love nearly all of their recorded music, and I keep coming back to their shows. I know most bands do all of this same shit, and maybe that is what initially set Pearl Jam apart from the rest of the pack back in the day... to me.

I don't think any of this is greed, then or now. Greed requires a degree of compromise that I don't think is present.

And I am really starting to hate how condescending the 10c merchandise critique is. Some people like buying that stuff. They're collectors. It makes them happy. They shouldn't make that material available because someone who has no intention of buying it doesn't like it. Then by all means, please explain to everyone (including many RMers) who enjoys collecting why they're exploited morons and produce a list of the products that a fan club can make available for its fans. That would be very helpful.

These guys make hundreds of thousands of dollars per show, I believe. And yet you really, truly, in your heart of hearts, think that the money that comes from selling pearl jam beer cozies or a few mystery boxes is of any consequence to the band?

They sell this crap (and I don't buy any of it either, but it's non-essential and I feel no pressure to buy it) because it is a way to keep a certain subsection of core fans engaged when there is no music. It's niche stuff for a niche market that makes no demands whatsoever on people who are not interested.

I agree the fan club membership is probably a bit overpriced. Tickets are more expensive but they're at or below the level of their peers, and the shows are long and excellent, so its not like they're charging you for an 18 song hour and a half greatest hits show.

Except for maybe Stip's post, this is a pretty terrible set of quotes.

[sward]

I'm sure there's some meaningful banter on these 8 pages, but the biggest thought that comes to my mind is.."Man..some of you really will complain at just about anything".

To the post at hand..

I thought it was cute and it didn't impact me one bit that he was off-key. Surprisingly, my life continued much the same the way that it had before he sang the snippet.

[Coach]

Let it go, let it go, let your over-exaggerations goooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

[Iholdthepain]

I'm sure there's some meaningful banter on these 8 pages, but the biggest thought that comes to my mind is.."Man..some of you really will complain at just about anything".

To the post at hand..

I thought it was cute and it didn't impact me one bit that he was off-key. Surprisingly, my life continued much the same the way that it had before he sang the snippet.

Funny, looks like you're complaining about random strangers who are complaining. Even funnier, the complaining has nothing to do with you...

Oh, and if you're looking for meaningful banter in this thread... or on this website, then you're a giant loaf of camel dung.

[sward]

I'm sure there's some meaningful banter on these 8 pages, but the biggest thought that comes to my mind is.."Man..some of you really will complain at just about anything".

To the post at hand..

I thought it was cute and it didn't impact me one bit that he was off-key. Surprisingly, my life continued much the same the way that it had before he sang the snippet.

Funny, looks like you're complaining about random strangers who are complaining. Even funnier, the complaining has nothing to do with you...

Oh, and if you're looking for meaningful banter in this thread... or on this website, then you're a giant loaf of camel dung.

Haha..you aren't wrong there...complaining about complaining is pretty much like trying to walk a dog that is chasing its tail!

[knee tunes]

I'm sure there's some meaningful banter on these 8 pages, but the biggest thought that comes to my mind is.."Man..some of you really will complain at just about anything".

To the post at hand..

I thought it was cute and it didn't impact me one bit that he was off-key. Surprisingly, my life continued much the same the way that it had before he sang the snippet.

+ 40,049

let it go is frickin right