All-Time Franchise Baseball Tournament: RED SOX WIN IT ALL!

[Lament]

They retired him after they traded him and he was still active? That is odd.

Luke Appling should probably have a statue. I'm assuming Aparicio and Nellie Fox do?

Yep. And let's be honest, look at his stats. He was mediocre. Rensdorf just loves him.

Aparicio, Fox, Fisk, Pierce, Minoso, Thomas, Konerko, Baines, and Comiskey all have statues.

Luke Appling is one of the two best White Sox players ever. Ted Lyons very well may be the third best. It's just silly.

[@SkitchP]

Unfortunately for most organizations outside of the top 2 or 3 in each sport, unless they have strict rules, retiring numbers and building statues is nothing but a way to bump attendance. Case in point: Detroit Pistons.

[Lament]

Yeah. The thing that makes the White Sox retiring everyone's numbers and giving them all statues is that Reinsdorf also owns the Chicago Bulls, who seem to have the opposite approach.

White Sox - Three World Championships. Ten retired numbers. Eight statues

Bulls - Six World Championships. Four retired numbers. Two statues.

[Lament]

That being said, there really only need to be two Bulls with retired numbers.

[@SkitchP]

That being said, there really only need to be two Bulls with retired numbers.

Micheal Jordan and Phil Jackson

[Lament]

Michael never won shit without Scottie.

[EJ]

Michael never won shit without Scottie.

I was thinking Will Perdue. But, yeah you're probably right.

[numbers]

Unfortunately for most organizations outside of the top 2 or 3 in each sport, unless they have strict rules, retiring numbers and building statues is nothing but a way to bump attendance. Case in point: Detroit Pistons.

Retiring Johnny Pesky's number was a ploy by the Red Sox to sell tickets.

[BigRedLedbetter]

Unfortunately for most organizations outside of the top 2 or 3 in each sport, unless they have strict rules, retiring numbers and building statues is nothing but a way to bump attendance. Case in point: Detroit Pistons.

Without looking.....

Thomas and Dumars?

[BigRedLedbetter]

Michael never won shit without Scottie.

I was thinking Will Perdue. But, yeah you're probably right.

Cliff Levingston. Come on!

[BigRedLedbetter]

Though I don't think Ron Washington is statue worthy I think the Rangers should retire his number. Fuck they retire Johnny Oates' number. Granted he passed away.

[numbers]

The Celtics are the kings of retiring guys numbers in this manner. Cedric Maxwell's number is retired.

[@SkitchP]

Unfortunately for most organizations outside of the top 2 or 3 in each sport, unless they have strict rules, retiring numbers and building statues is nothing but a way to bump attendance. Case in point: Detroit Pistons.

Without looking.....

Thomas and Dumars?

Those two I can justify. Laimbeer, Rodman and Vinnie Johnson? Not so much.

[BigRedLedbetter]

Unfortunately for most organizations outside of the top 2 or 3 in each sport, unless they have strict rules, retiring numbers and building statues is nothing but a way to bump attendance. Case in point: Detroit Pistons.

Without looking.....

Thomas and Dumars?

Those two I can justify. Laimbeer, Rodman and Vinnie Johnson? Not so much.

Rodman ok. The other two? Interesting. Did not know that. When is Fennis Dembo bobblehead night?

[BigRedLedbetter]

The Celtics are the kings of retiring guys numbers in this manner. Cedric Maxwell's number is retired.

Seriously you guys are going to run out of numbers. Again, like the Yankees, with all that success it makes some sense I guess.

Not sure if I like him as an NBA coach but I love Stevens. Great college coach. Baby face assassin. I think he is destined for Indiana if/when the NBA does not work out.

[Kaius]

O'Neill
Hornsby
Cash
Bonds
Mantle

Martinez (Bos)
King
Cicotte
Tiant
Martinez (Mtl)

[Lament]

Alright, with ten of the twelve ballots being returned, the results of the MOP voting are a follows. Point totals are followed by their point breakdown (first place votes/second/third/fourth/fifth)

MOST OUTSTANDING PLAYER - HITTERS/POSITION PLAYERS



Tip O'Neill - St. Louis Cardinals
49 points (6/3/1/0/0)

Runners-Up

Rogers Hornsby - St. Louis Cardinals
28 points (1/3/1/2/2)

Mickey Mantle - New York Yankees
20 points (1/1/1/2/2)

Babe Ruth - New York Yankees
20 points (1/1/1/2/2)

Norm Cash - Detroit Tigers
19 points (0/1/5/1/1)

Carl Yastrzemski - Boston Red Sox
11 points (1/0/0/2/0)

Barry Bonds - Pittsburgh Pirates
11 points (0/1/1/1/2)

Hack Wilson - Chicago Cubs
1 point (0/0/0/0/1)

MOST OUTSTANDING PLAYER - PITCHERS



Pedro Martinez - Boston Red Sox
64 points (9/0/0/0/1)

Runners-Up

Ed Cicotte - Chicago White Sox
33 points (0/3/7/0/0)

Vean Gregg - Cleveland Indians
27 points (1/4/0/2/0)

Luis Tiant - Cleveland Indians
16 points (0/2/1/2/1)

Pedro Martinez - Montreal Expos
13 points (0/0/1/2/6)

Silver King - St. Louis Cardinals
11 points (0/1/1/2/1)

Jonathan Papelbon - Boston Red Sox
5 points (0/0/0/2/1)

[Norah]

There's a tunnel in Boston named after Tip O'Neil.

[Lament]

Do you think Pedro Martinez has ever driven through it?

[Lament]

Also, do you think Pedro is pissed about Jorge's fifth place vote costing him a unanimous win?