MLB

[philpritchard]

So Reyes is hurt once again. Big shocker there. I was probably the only Mets fan who wasn't sorry to see him go a couple of years ago and the injuries were the main reason I felt that way. I hope for his and the Jays' sakes that he can still run the same way after that serious an ankle sprain.

At least Dickey finally won a game.

Reyes missed most of 2009 and around 30 games each in 2010 and 2011 after four straight years of good health. He also followed that up with 160 last year. I can see it being frustrating, but considering his production, I would have been happy to have had him on the Jays for 130 games a season.

I think a lot of the "Reyes is a huge risk because he's injury prone" crowd feel vindicated by this injury, but the reality is that it has literally nothing to do with being injury prone.

[MadTIGERmaN]

Professional athletes who get busted drinking and driving should face suspension from their respective teams/leagues + fines...

yes, im talking about you Yovanni and your .22 you blew last night just outside the Miller Park interchange.

[MadTIGERmaN]

In an odd twist of fate...
I will now be seeing Paul McCartney at Miller Park July 16th
and Pearl Jam at Wrigley Field on July 19th!!!!!

probably the 2 best things to happen on either field this summer

[vegman]

So Reyes is hurt once again. Big shocker there. I was probably the only Mets fan who wasn't sorry to see him go a couple of years ago and the injuries were the main reason I felt that way. I hope for his and the Jays' sakes that he can still run the same way after that serious an ankle sprain.

At least Dickey finally won a game.

Reyes missed most of 2009 and around 30 games each in 2010 and 2011 after four straight years of good health. He also followed that up with 160 last year. I can see it being frustrating, but considering his production, I would have been happy to have had him on the Jays for 130 games a season.

I think a lot of the "Reyes is a huge risk because he's injury prone" crowd feel vindicated by this injury, but the reality is that it has literally nothing to do with being injury prone.

How does it have nothing to do with him being injury prone? He's injured. When he first broke into the league he pulled his hamstring twice just running the bases. Then, like you said, he was out about a season and a half over the last three seasons. This time he slid awkwardly and he's out for a long stretch again. He's injured again which makes him injury prone. Anyone who follows him knows he's an injury risk.

There were more than a few Mets fans who weren't exactly sorry to see him leave. He's awesomely talented, but always getting hurt. I just wish we would have made more of an effort to trade him before his contract was up so we got something in return. It was lame the way the Mets just let him walk when they already knew they didn't want to pay him what the Marlins ended up paying him.

[MadTIGERmaN]

I HATE the term "injury prone"

its almost like youre knocking the player for playing hard in some cases
heres a news flash? ANY player can get hurt at anytime...
Jason Kendall was an iron man, yet even he busted up an ankle on a base.

In 1981 this player played 64 games
in 84, a total of 13
in 86 a total of 105
and in 87, a total of 118

at that point, im sure some thought he was injury prone...
but from then on he played
154, 155, 103, 158, 158, 160, 115 (strike season), 130, and 161 at the age of 40

Ill take Paul Molitor and his "injury prone" bat ANYDAY over just about anyone else.
and even if he got hurt with the Jays, id have not felt vindicated... id still want him back on the Brewers.

[vegman]

Im not blaming Reyes at all and definitely dont wish for him to be hurt. Im a diehard Mets fan and loved watching him play. I also have tix to two Jays games and was looking forward to wstching him again, live. The fact is though, that the guy gets hurt all the time. Call this one a freak slide but Reyes himself comnented on the fact that hes not used to sliding feet first because hes always going in head first, something Mets announcers always said he needed to change. The one time he needed to slide feet first he looked like a first time little leaguer. Hopefully hes able to run the same way when he comes back because obviously hes not the same player without his speed.

[philpritchard]

How does it have nothing to do with him being injury prone? He's injured. When he first broke into the league he pulled his hamstring twice just running the bases. Then, like you said, he was out about a season and a half over the last three seasons. This time he slid awkwardly and he's out for a long stretch again. He's injured again which makes him injury prone. Anyone who follows him knows he's an injury risk.

The hamstring example is perfect. If he had come up lame with a hamstring or calf injury or something else that's been an issue with him in the past, I would completely agree with you and say that his injury history was part of the risk the Jays took in acquiring him. This is a freak injury that literally could have happened to anyone. He made a strange decision regarding his slide and rolled over on his ankle. If someone without an injury history slides into second and sprains an ankle, we call it bad luck... why is it any different just because Reyes has had hamstring problems the last few years?

[vegman]

How does it have nothing to do with him being injury prone? He's injured. When he first broke into the league he pulled his hamstring twice just running the bases. Then, like you said, he was out about a season and a half over the last three seasons. This time he slid awkwardly and he's out for a long stretch again. He's injured again which makes him injury prone. Anyone who follows him knows he's an injury risk.

The hamstring example is perfect. If he had come up lame with a hamstring or calf injury or something else that's been an issue with him in the past, I would completely agree with you and say that his injury history was part of the risk the Jays took in acquiring him. This is a freak injury that literally could have happened to anyone. He made a strange decision regarding his slide and rolled over on his ankle. If someone without an injury history slides into second and sprains an ankle, we call it bad luck... why is it any different just because Reyes has had hamstring problems the last few years?

OK, I see your point about the type of injury. I think when certain guys get hurt a lot you almost just expect it at some point in the season regardless of the type of injury. Reyes' speed and base stealing and the way he dives into a base always made me expect him to come up lame, like when I used to watch Dykstra fly into the centerfield wall. The weird thing is, like I was saying, the coaching staff and announcers for the Mets used to get on Reyes about his sliding in head first and were always expecting a hand/wrist/shoulder injury. Then this happens when he tries to go in feet first. Totally shitty. Hopefully he comes back sooner rather than later.

[philpritchard]

OK, I see your point about the type of injury. I think when certain guys get hurt a lot you almost just expect it at some point in the season regardless of the type of injury. Reyes' speed and base stealing and the way he dives into a base always made me expect him to come up lame, like when I used to watch Dykstra fly into the centerfield wall. The weird thing is, like I was saying, the coaching staff and announcers for the Mets used to get on Reyes about his sliding in head first and were always expecting a hand/wrist/shoulder injury. Then this happens when he tries to go in feet first. Totally shitty. Hopefully he comes back sooner rather than later.

Yeah I completely understand that. It's the same way in Toronto right now with Brett Lawrie. He plays such an all out, do-whatever-it-takes-to-make-the-play style that you just expect him to get injured once in a while... like last year when he dove into a goddamn camera bay to get to a foul ball. On one hand, you don't want him to change his style of play because that's what makes him such a good player. On the other hand, you kind of want him to dial it back a little to avoid getting hurt.

[MadTIGERmaN]

I stole a ton of bases back in my baseball days...
and will still slide in the softball games...

I have NEVER got hurt going head first.
I have severely twisted an ankle twice going feet first
and once even broke a thumb going feet first (on a hook slide around a tag)
so ive never understood the whole "its safer going feet first"

wonder what Henderson said if anyone ever told him to go feet first LOL

[vegman]

I stole a ton of bases back in my baseball days...
and will still slide in the softball games...

I have NEVER got hurt going head first.
I have severely twisted an ankle twice going feet first
and once even broke a thumb going feet first (on a hook slide around a tag)
so ive never understood the whole "its safer going feet first"

wonder what Henderson said if anyone ever told him to go feet first LOL

You're definitely more likely to injure yourself sliding head first whether you jam a finger, wrist or shoulder, injure your neck or have a guy come down with his spikes on your hand. There's a reason kids learn the feet first slide. Does everyone get injured? Of course not. I'm just talking percentages. Maury Wills, Lou Brock and Davey Lopes all slid feet first and they stole a few bases too.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... b&c_id=mlb

http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/2012/07/43014-43014

How did you hurt your thumb going feet first?

[@SkitchP]

I stole a ton of bases back in my baseball days...
and will still slide in the softball games...

I have NEVER got hurt going head first.
I have severely twisted an ankle twice going feet first
and once even broke a thumb going feet first (on a hook slide around a tag)
so ive never understood the whole "its safer going feet first"

wonder what Henderson said if anyone ever told him to go feet first LOL

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.

[Norah]

I stole a ton of bases back in my baseball days...
and will still slide in the softball games...

I have NEVER got hurt going head first.
I have severely twisted an ankle twice going feet first
and once even broke a thumb going feet first (on a hook slide around a tag)
so ive never understood the whole "its safer going feet first"

wonder what Henderson said if anyone ever told him to go feet first LOL

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.

LOL

[E.H. Ruddock]

True story: Rickey Henderson is my favorite baseball player of all time.

[E.H. Ruddock]

True story: Rickey Henderson is my favorite baseball player of all time.

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.

[@SkitchP]

True story: Rickey Henderson is my favorite baseball player of all time.

NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.

you're right, that was a very edzeppe post, wasn't it?

[verb_to_trust]

I stole a ton of bases back in my baseball days...
and will still slide in the softball games...

I have NEVER got hurt going head first.
I have severely twisted an ankle twice going feet first
and once even broke a thumb going feet first (on a hook slide around a tag)
so ive never understood the whole "its safer going feet first"

wonder what Henderson said if anyone ever told him to go feet first LOL

Its safer to go feet first.

[doug rr]

if you google image "sliding in softball" all that comes up are girls

[MadTIGERmaN]

I stole a ton of bases back in my baseball days...
and will still slide in the softball games...

I have NEVER got hurt going head first.
I have severely twisted an ankle twice going feet first
and once even broke a thumb going feet first (on a hook slide around a tag)
so ive never understood the whole "its safer going feet first"

wonder what Henderson said if anyone ever told him to go feet first LOL

You're definitely more likely to injure yourself sliding head first whether you jam a finger, wrist or shoulder, injure your neck or have a guy come down with his spikes on your hand. There's a reason kids learn the feet first slide. Does everyone get injured? Of course not. I'm just talking percentages. Maury Wills, Lou Brock and Davey Lopes all slid feet first and they stole a few bases too.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... b&c_id=mlb

http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/2012/07/43014-43014

How did you hurt your thumb going feet first?

Hook sliding around a tag at 2nd on a rain soaked soggy wet infield, went to reach back for the bag and my hand just stuck in the mud and bam, broken thumb.

I get that its easier to hurt a hand/finger going head first, then the ankle/knee feet first, but both Reyes and Cespedes got hurt the other night feet first, (and oddly enough, Cespedes hurt his thumb LOL) Aramis Ramirez has hurt his knee TWICE this year already going feet first... what would you rather do? break a finger and miss 4 weeks? or ankle/knee and possible be done for the year?

I will say, on hits? id pretty much always go feet first, its on steals, especially of 2nd that i can see headfirst being the way to go... its faster, and, easier to avoid tags.

and for those that think sliding in softball is stupid? Ive seen 3 people get drilled in the back of the head (2 at home 1 at 3rd) as they went into the bases standing with a throw coming from behind... yeah lol ill hit the dirt.

[MadTIGERmaN]

Torii Hunter just made a great head first slide into 2nd... thorw beat him, hes out, but got one hand out of the way / snuck the other in... feet first? hes out.