Kanye West

[godeatgod]

I found a Tribe Called Quest CD in a rental car one time and really enjoyed it. I also own one Mos Def album and a Black Star album. I need some guidance.

if you like Blackstar you're already ahead of the game

you might like lupe,

Thanks Geg, I'll listen to this when I get home.

If I like it will you take me under your wing?

i like a lot of hood music but sure

[nyquillyn]

1. 808s & Heartbreak
2. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
3. Graduation
4. Late Registration
5. The College Dropout
6. Yeezus

I don't really count Watch the Throne.


Also, LOL @ The Doors.

[darth_vedder]

1. LA Woman
2. Morrison Hotel
3. Strange Days
4. The Soft Parade
5. Waiting For The Sun
6. The Doors

I don't really count the two w/o Morrison.


Also, LOL @ Kanye West.

FTFY

[Kevin Davis]

Not in terms of time commitment or challenge or whatever. In terms of artistry.

Sampling is kind of the "found art" of the music world -- the same way an artist can look at a bunch of coat hangers and empty beer cans and see the Golden Gate Bridge, so too can Kanye West hear "Five to One" by The Doors and think, "Man, that song is clearly terrible and nothing by this band could ever possibly be worth anyone's time to listen to, but still -- if I isolate this part of the rhythm section, then move this two-second snippet of Robby Krieger's guitar solo over here, run this annoying keyboard riff through a filter and bring it out on the other side as a sort of ambient accent, and then loop this soundbyte of Jim Morrison screaming "COME OOOWNNN!!!" like a nincompoop onto the first beat of every measure, this could create a suitable musical environment for one Sean Carter to successfully author a four-verse musical monologue referencing several of the no-name rappers employed by his label and rack up a few more disses in his ongoing feud with fellow New York rapper Nasir Jones." It's the artist being able to look at the world around him and find purpose and meaning in things beyond their intended use. I am sure there are some people to whom this "comes naturally," but as someone who has been playing guitar since 1996 and finds it relatively natural to sit down and hammer out a song with eight chords and a melody, I marvel at it. It's not easy, and if my limited experience with even rudimentary recording software is anything to go on, it is probably extremely tedious and requires and insane amount of patience.

[epilogue]

[tommymtcom]

Sampling isn't the same as making an exact copy of something. That would be a cover.

[epilogue]

Sampling isn't the same as making an exact copy of something. That would be a cover.

Exactly. It's actually LESS interesting to me than a cover.

[epilogue]

Guys, what do I know. I've never tried to sample anything. I can barely play guitar. I'm an old, lame white dude who likes what he likes and has a had time understanding kids these days.

Just ignore me. Sorry to have bungled the thread.

[epilogue]

I'm gonna delete my previous post. I don't feel good about it at all.

[doug rr]

I'm gonna delete my previous post. I don't feel good about it at all.

joey, how bout you and I just open a bottle of bourbon and listen to a bootleg of led zeppelin in dallas 1975?

[Norah]

joey, you might like him. strat, sage francis is a white rapper with a hipster lumberjack beard.

ugh, i bet he's from minnesota and everything

[Strat]

joey, you might like him. strat, sage francis is a white rapper with a hipster lumberjack beard.

ugh, i bet he's from minnesota and everything

Boston strong

[epilogue]

I'm gonna delete my previous post. I don't feel good about it at all.

joey, how bout you and I just open a bottle of bourbon and listen to a bootleg of led zeppelin in dallas 1975?

That sounds like perfection, doug. You're on.

[Kevin Davis]

I hope my post didn't come across the wrong way, dct -- growing up I felt much the same way that many rock fans feel about sampling in hip-hop (ultimately that the artists were "stealing" other people's songs for lack of their own skill -- for some reason, I remember this mindset really taking hold when Puff Daddy released that song "I'll Be Missing You" that heavily interpolated The Police's "Every Breath You Take"), but once I really took the time to immerse myself in the medium, I began to learn how specialized a skill it is on its own, and what a misconception it is to assume that the only reason an artist would choose to sample another artist's work is because they were "untalented" and probably secretly ashamed of their inability to play the instruments themselves.

I remember once listening to a Van Morrison compilation and hearing Them's cover of Dylan's "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue," which I had never heard but sounded vaguely familiar -- I soon realized that the Morrison recording basically comprised the entire backing track for Beck's "Jackass," a song I had known for years and had always assumed had been played by a live band. And certainly Beck wasn't someone I was about to accuse of not having the talent to play his own instruments -- he plays more than most. The Beastie Boys and The Roots are two more well-respected groups who are proficient on their instruments but sample(d) liberally. Figure there has to be something attractive about it as a creative tool that allows even instrumentally proficient artists like Beck to speak in a language they otherwise couldn't -- I mean, if it was commonly understood as an inferior way of doing things, certainly guys like Kanye could afford to hire a live band.

Anyway, I will shut up now. If there's room for one more, I'll cozy up for Zeppelin bootleg time too...

[doug rr]

I hope my post didn't come across the wrong way, dct -- growing up I felt much the same way that many rock fans feel about sampling in hip-hop (ultimately that the artists were "stealing" other people's songs for lack of their own skill -- for some reason, I remember this mindset really taking hold when Puff Daddy released that song "I'll Be Missing You" that heavily interpolated The Police's "Every Breath You Take"), but once I really took the time to immerse myself in the medium, I began to learn how specialized a skill it is on its own, and what a misconception it is to assume that the only reason an artist would choose to sample another artist's work is because they were "untalented" and probably secretly ashamed of their inability to play the instruments themselves.

I remember once listening to a Van Morrison compilation and hearing Them's cover of Dylan's "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue," which I had never heard but sounded vaguely familiar -- I soon realized that the Morrison recording basically comprised the entire backing track for Beck's "Jackass," a song I had known for years and had always assumed had been played by a live band. And certainly Beck wasn't someone I was about to accuse of not having the talent to play his own instruments -- he plays more than most. The Beastie Boys and The Roots are two more well-respected groups who are proficient on their instruments but sample(d) liberally. Figure there has to be something attractive about it as a creative tool that allows even instrumentally proficient artists like Beck to speak in a language they otherwise couldn't -- I mean, if it was commonly understood as an inferior way of doing things, certainly guys like Kanye could afford to hire a live band.

Anyway, I will shut up now. If there's room for one more, I'll cozy up for Zeppelin bootleg time too...

I think the 3 of us could finish off a bottle while listening to Concierto de Aranjuez

[warehouse]

there's nothing wrong with sampling. i heard someone say it's popular b/c they dont teach music in schools like they used to, but people still wanna be creative and make music. that made a lot of sense to me.

[Alex]

that new lupe album is really great

[godeatgod]

anyone who is anti-sampling is a goofy

[verb_to_trust]

I feel like I should point out that mastering samples on ableton and protools and the like is more complicated/challenging than most musical instruments, so I don't know if there's much to that laziness accusation.

Good point. I played Pro Tools in my high school band.

[Jorge]

Wait Geg is being a goofy a bad thing? The other night you called me ultimate goofy