And, I have two degrees and I guarantee you I'd struggle to score a 7 on the test you're proposing.Orpheus wrote:They have those, they're called interviews. A typical wonderlic question is "STALE is to STEAL as BREAD is to _________." Wouldn't a better question be "what is the first responsibility of a slot corner in cover 3: curl, flat, or seam?" I guarantee you a good CB will know that, and it actually pertains to football.
Wasn't Marino the first poster child for bad Wonderlic scores? I always hear his name come up when the test is discussed, further confirming that it means jack shit.Orpheus wrote:It's always a black player. It was horrible with Vince Young (going way beyond the wonderlic) and white players are never really subject to same type of scrutiny. FWIW, Dan Marino also had a pretty shitty wonderlic score.Green Habit wrote:I agree with everything you said here. I don't see what the race angle is, though--unless it's one of those dog whistle things that as an ignorant Western American I just don't hear.Orpheus wrote:The situation with Morris Claiborne last year comes to mind. Sure top ten pick, no character issues, sterling combine, great tape. Comes out that he scored a 6 on the wonderlic and for two weeks you hear "sure he's a great player, but is he a dumbass?" Gets drafted top ten anyway, is probably going to turn into a great player, so what was the point? Everyone calling Morris Claiborne a dumbass on national TV for two weeks? I just think it's pointless.
I just think that Ertz is a more complete TE, while Eifert is more of a pass catching option. Both should have good NFL careers, though.elliseamos wrote:i'm thinking eifert gets picked before ertz. maybe the jets at #13.
and i'd hope the Pats would take Star Lotulelei if this is how things fell.
i agree, but i just don't see a team passing up eifert for ertz. who wants a solid blocker & receiver, when you could have a great receiver? especially when you have a team taking a TE that already runs multiple sets and has solid blocking/receiving TEs on their roster.Green Habit wrote:I just think that Ertz is a more complete TE, while Eifert is more of a pass catching option. Both should have good NFL careers, though.elliseamos wrote:i'm thinking eifert gets picked before ertz. maybe the jets at #13.
and i'd hope the Pats would take Star Lotulelei if this is how things fell.
The Pats could be a good fit for Lotulelei since they have Wilfork in the other spot to do most of the work. I'm just worried that if he's drafted too high that teams will ask too much out of him and won't develop properly.
Fair enough, Eifert would work just fine on the Texans as well. And I agree that in real life Eifert will be the first TE off the board.elliseamos wrote:i agree, but i just don't see a team passing up eifert for ertz. who wants a solid blocker & receiver, when you could have a great receiver? especially when you have a team taking a TE that already runs multiple sets and has solid blocking/receiving TEs on their roster.
Nah, I want to see a new Williams Wall get built.elliseamos wrote:again, i don't necessarily disagree, but if the vikings are going to take a DT to replace williams, why wouldn't they take lotulelei over williams (and don't say they'll save money on jerseys in the giftshop)?
i think the downturn on lotulelei is bogus, but what do i know.Green Habit wrote:Fair enough, Eifert would work just fine on the Texans as well. And I agree that in real life Eifert will be the first TE off the board.elliseamos wrote:i agree, but i just don't see a team passing up eifert for ertz. who wants a solid blocker & receiver, when you could have a great receiver? especially when you have a team taking a TE that already runs multiple sets and has solid blocking/receiving TEs on their roster.
Nah, I want to see a new Williams Wall get built.elliseamos wrote:again, i don't necessarily disagree, but if the vikings are going to take a DT to replace williams, why wouldn't they take lotulelei over williams (and don't say they'll save money on jerseys in the giftshop)?
I just keep hearing about stamina being a concern with Lotulelei. If so, if may take him a while to get acclimated to the NFL, and in this day and age, you usually need your first rounders to impact right away.
Yep, the crapshoot element is always there, but it doesn't stop us from enjoying the moment. I think my most embarrassing prediction was that Vernon Gholston was going to be good.elliseamos wrote:i think the downturn on lotulelei is bogus, but what do i know.
on the other hand, who saw this guys career?Green Habit wrote:Yep, the crapshoot element is always there, but it doesn't stop us from enjoying the moment. I think my most embarrassing prediction was that Vernon Gholston was going to be good.elliseamos wrote:i think the downturn on lotulelei is bogus, but what do i know.
Man, that was one where absolutely everyone was completely wrong. I remember being so happy when the Chiefs passed on him. The only explanation that I can think of is that he was smart enough to realize that he already got $34 million guaranteed to him, and that if he spent wisely he could coast through the rest of his life without having to risk his body playing professional football.elliseamos wrote:on the other hand, who saw this guys career?Green Habit wrote:Yep, the crapshoot element is always there, but it doesn't stop us from enjoying the moment. I think my most embarrassing prediction was that Vernon Gholston was going to be good.elliseamos wrote:i think the downturn on lotulelei is bogus, but what do i know.
that's some occam's razor shit right there.Green Habit wrote:Man, that was one where absolutely everyone was completely wrong. I remember being so happy when the Chiefs passed on him. The only explanation that I can think of is that he was smart enough to realize that he already got $34 million guaranteed to him, and that if he spent wisely he could coast through the rest of his life without having to risk his body playing professional football.elliseamos wrote:on the other hand, who saw this guys career?Green Habit wrote:Yep, the crapshoot element is always there, but it doesn't stop us from enjoying the moment. I think my most embarrassing prediction was that Vernon Gholston was going to be good.elliseamos wrote:i think the downturn on lotulelei is bogus, but what do i know.
yep, and that would also hopefully give them time to get all of the trade details out there fairly quick, last year when tampa traded back a few picks i remember it taking forever to hear what they actually gained in the trade, and also when they traded back up into the first, it was again a pretty long time before they took the time to show all the details. now i know all that might not be the networks not having time to show the details, it could be the teams not getting them the info quicker, but that is somehting i would like to see faster if possible, announce the trade and atleast before the next team after the traded pick makes a choice then let us know what all went down.Green Habit wrote:Oh, and one other complaint that I have from last year: If you're going to have all these interviews and pageantry with the players on the stage, then increase the length of the first round back to 15 minutes. It was super annoying when, say, the fourth overall pick was still being interviewed and the team with the seventh overall pick was already on the clock.
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