BurtReynolds wrote:cartoon vs. adult? rubbish. Being a lighthearted adventure movie doesn't give it the right to be dumb. Indiana Jones isn't dumb. He doesn't just produce a magic trap disarmer that he was saving for just the right moment (even though he could have used it in any of the other 50 traps he just went through).
Donkeysnart and poopycock, my good man. Your understanding of this conversation is clearly limited by the fact that you are simply a something that exists inside my internet.
I am using 'adult' to represent the more true-to-life elements of a movie...the adherence to cause-and-effect, the potential for the various choices and events surrounding a character to result in lasting consequence, the acceptance of whichever facets of reality might be relevant to the story (i.e. physics), a push for 'real to life' problems, and the tendency for characters to be something other than an archetype/set piece/unthinking punching bags. 'Cartoon,' on the other hand, represents the fantastical, the escapist, and a general simplifying of any number of qualities.
So, now that you have received this information, digital character in my internet game, reconsider your example of Indiana Jones. That film absolutely bows to the fantastical, reduce various side characters to set pieces with cartoon-villain equivalent intelligence, and allows its main hero to accomplish things that are distinctly outside of that set of structures we have identified as 'adult.'
Thats just one way they cheapen the character here. Having fifty easily destroyed Iron Mans flying around is cheap. Giving him absolutely no character development is cheap.
I fail to see how that's different from "we hate each other punch punch now we're a good team," in Avengers.
At least Avengers could hide its plot contrivances with fantastic character interactions and a genuine arch (shallow though it may have been). Is there a theme here at all? The virtues of anonymity? what is it?
Oh. Okay. There we have that.
Having him change not one single bit after Pepper dies is cheap. Getting rid of his heart thingy in 10 seconds of exposition is cheap. Its a soulless movie.
Yeah, both of those elements were very poorly done....as was the female character who originally created the...stuff. She was a plot device if ever there was one. "What are we trying to do with this scene? We'll randomly make her good or evil, depending on whatever happens to fit the moment." And, if you're going to reference the Avengers SO MUCH in the movie, you should probably toss some little line in that explains why none of them seem to give a monkey's nut about a terrorist trying to murder the president of the United States and apparently killing their teammate in the process.
A bad guy shows up, no one learns anything, a bunch of stuff blows up, good guy wins.
It's an exaggeration to say that Stark doesn't change at all during this movie...it just doesn't play out as much, because it's a continuation of the journey he began in the first one (then mostly paused for like a movie and a half). And in point of fact, they basically run this movie as him having to deal with a consequential event born out of the shittiness of what he used to be. That said, what you've written above is actually the working script for most of the movies that will grace theaters in upcoming months.
"thor graffiti'd the cartoon"? I dont know what that means.
With spatterings of the adult, little internet avatar...like an ejaculatory discharge from an unprepared and rapidly spinning masturbator. He was a distinctly 'cartoon'-ish figure in a distinctly 'cartoony' environment, but little splashes of 'adult' were applied to very effectively keep that movie from just being the corniest fucking thing you have ever seen...which it very easily could have been.
Iron Man 3 failed to convince me there was real reason to keep going.
I won't argue this one. I kinda figured the only reason NOT to end it with the Avengers culmination moment was that there was so much more money to be had. Keeping with the semen-related imagery, it's a bit like blowing your load after a very reasonable amount of time, then realizing that the old bitch is actually paying you by the stroke, so you desperately try to fix your brain on prettier things and then just keep thrusting away, praying you don't go limp because goddamn it there is MONEY at stake here.
Just a bunch of well adjusted adults on an internet message board talking about comic book movies.
You neglected to mention sexy. I'm sure you intended, or felt that it was implied. It wasn't.
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