Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

[Birds in Hell]

[stip]

Honestly, I thought about trying to rank the first-generation SP albums and I couldn't do it. I love them all. Siamese Dream will always be my favorite but the others are interchangeable to me. There is something I love in all them.

So instead I am going to list 20 underlooked songs that I absolutely adore:

Snail
Set the Ray to Jerry
The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)
The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete
La Dolly Vita
Speed Kills
Obscured
Here Is No Why
By Starlight
Frail & Bedazzled
Behold! The Night Mare
Blissed and Gone
Vanity
Let Me Give the World to You
In the Arms of Sleep

And to file under almost completely unknown songs that I love:
In the Arms of Sheep
Tulips
Moleasskiss
Identify
Speed

I miss this band, even if they technically still exist.

La Dolly Vita and Here Is No Why are two of my favorites.

Here is no why, set the Ray to jerry, frail and bedazzled, and especially in the arms of sleep are personal favorites.

I also really like adore

[matt reeder]

In a spot of fortuitous timing I just picked up the Aeroplane Flies High reissue boxset for a relative steal on eBay, looking forward to digging in.

Just remember: that's one of the best reissues but it isn't without its flaws. I'm curious what you determine to be its flaws.

And when you're done, I'll post a link to the real Gravity demos because they're one of my favorite things ever.

[southp]

Set the Ray to Jerry

I also love a few of the Machina II songs like Slow Dawn, Cash Car Star, Saturnine.

The Machina era is to SP what Binaural era is to PJ.

[Jorge]

They are literally the same era

[BigRedLedbetter]

I really wish Eye was on Adore. LOVE that song.

The Machina era is to SP what Binaural era is to PJ.

I like the cut of your jib.

[VinylGuy]

I don't think the machina era is like the binaural era..SP was already a broken band when they hit the road...and i don't think they change their sound too much with machina. The real change was Adore.

[AndySlash]

set the ray to jerry is one of my favorites as well. i was so happy to hear it on the 07 tour.

the aeroplane box set (original, i don't have the cd version of the reissue) may be my favorite pumpkins release, period. i consider the thirty-three single, especially, to be flawless. corgan has always been prolific, but i don't think it can be argued that the mellon collie/aeroplane period contained the most consistently good output of his career as well.

[BigRedLedbetter]

set the ray to jerry is one of my favorites as well. i was so happy to hear it on the 07 tour.

the aeroplane box set (original, i don't have the cd version of the reissue) may be my favorite pumpkins release, period. i consider the thirty-three single, especially, to be flawless. corgan has always been prolific, but i don't think it can be argued that the mellon collie/aeroplane period contained the most consistently good output of his career as well.

It is a phenomenal release. I don't have the reissue yet but I bought the box set the day it came out when I was in HS.

I love the Siamese Dream reissue. Not only because it's one of my top 5 favorite albums ever but it was just done really well. The concert DVD that came with it is great. I just love that show.

I need to get more SP boots. The first 2 boots I ever bought were in high school I got The World Is a Vampire (the show the day MCATIS was released) and turpentine kisses which is half acoustic have electric stuff from 96. I bought them at a record store we use to have that has sense closed down (maybe for selling illegal bootlegs?) and wore those two discs out. The turpentine kisses one doesn't even play anymore. It had Bullet With Butterfly Wings acoustic which just blew my little mind.

What is on the DVD that comes with it?

[Birds in Hell]

What is on the DVD that comes with it?

That The Aeroplane Flies High deluxe reissue track list in full:

“Bullet With Butterfly Wings” (CD1):
1. “Bullet with Butterfly Wings”
2. “…Said Sadly”
3. “You’re All I’ve Got Tonight”
4. “Clones (We’re All)”
5. “A Night Like This”
6. “Destination Unknown”
7. “Dreaming”
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
8. “Movers and Shakirs” (Gravity Studios demo)
9. “Germans in Leather Pants” (Gravity Studios demo)
10. “Millieu” (Gravity Studios demo)
11. “Jackboot” (Gravity Studios demo)
12. “A/Ab/E/B/F#” (Gravity Studios demo)
13. “Rings” (Gravity Studios demo)
14. “Ugly” (Gravity Studios demo)
15. “Blaster Caster” (Gravity Studios demo)
16. “Little Ditty” (Gravity Studios demo)
17. “Verily I Say” (Gravity Studios demo)
18. “New Waver” (Gravity Studios demo)
19. “The Groover” (Gravity Studios demo)
20. “Ravi Revi Roo” (Gravity Studios demo)
21. “On the Loose” (Gravity Studios demo)
22. “Slurry” (Gravity Studios demo)

“1979” (CD2):
1. “1979”
2. “Ugly”
3. “Believe”
4. “Cherry”
5. “The Boy”
6. “Set the Ray to Jerry"
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
7. “Tonight, Tonight (acoustic version/instrumental rough)”
8. “Jupiter’s Lament (billy solo)”
9. “Zero (8trk demo)”
10. “Marquis in Spades (8trk demo)”
11. “Have Love Will Travel (8trk demo)”
12. “Infinite Sadness (siamese outtake)”
13. “1979 (acoustic)”
14. “Aeroplane Flies High (acoustic snippet)”
15. “Take Me Down (instrumental)”
16. “Star Song (dat mix/vocal rough)”

“Zero” (CD3):
1. “Zero”
2. “God”
3. “Mouths of Babes”
4. “Tribute to Johnny”
5. “Marquis in Spades”
6. “Pennies”
7. “Pastichio Medley”
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
8. “By Starlight” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
9. “Set the Ray to Jerry” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
10. “Mouths of Babes” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
11. “Cupid de Locke” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
12. “Galapagos” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
13. “To Forgive” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
14. “Lily (My One & Only)” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
15. “Here Is No Why” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)

“Tonight, Tonight” (CD4):
1. “Tonight, Tonight”
2. “Meladori Magpie”
3. “Rotten Apples”
4. “Medellia of the Gray Skies”
5. “Jupiter’s Lament”
6. “Blank”
7. “Tonite Reprise”
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
8. “Stumbleine” (Live; 21 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
9. “Ugly” (Live; 21 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
10. “Meladori Magpie” (Live; 28 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
11. “God” (Live; 21 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
12. “Love” (Live; 28 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
13. “Pissant” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
14. “Hello Kitty Kat” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
15. “Special Winner’s Song” (Live; 28 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
16. “I Just Wanna Make Love to You” (Live; 28 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)

“Thirty-Three” (CD5):
1. “Thrity-Three”
2. “The Last Song”
3. “The Aeroplane Flies High”
4. “Transformer”
5. “The Bells”
6. “My Blue Heaven”
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
7. “Silverfuck (live 7/10/96)”

Live Inside the Dark Globe (CD6):
1. “Where Boys Fear to Tread” (Cleveland, Ohio 7.3.96)
2. “Zero” (San Francisco, California 2.7.96)
3. “Fuck You / An Ode to No One” (Stockholm, Sweden 4.10.96)
4. “X.Y.U.” (Los Angeles, California 2.3.96)
5. “To Forgive” (Washington, D.C. 1.6.96)
6. “Thirty-Three” (New York City, New York 1.11.96)
7. “Tonight, Tonight” (New York City, New York 1.11.96)
8. “Lily (My One And Only)” (Washington, D.C. 1.5.96)
9. “Porcelina of the Vast Oceans” (Cleveland, Ohio 7.3.96)
10. “Jellybelly” (Gent, Belgium 4.6.96)
11. “Bullet With Butterfly Wings” (Los Angeles, California 2.3.96)
12. “By Starlight” (Buffalo, New York 7.2.96)
13. “Bodies” (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 7.5.96)
14. “Silverfuck” (Copenhagen, Denmark 4.9.96)

Malsaucy Lake, Belfort, France, July 4, 1997 (DVD):
1. “Glimpses”
2. “Where Boys Fear to Tread”
3. “Eye”
4. “Tonight, Tonight”
5. “Transformer”
6. “Thru the Eyes of Ruby”
7. “The End Is the Beginning Is the End”
8. “By Starlight”
9. “Bullet With Butterfly Wings”
10. “Muzzle”
11. “1979”
12. “X.Y.U.”
13. “Porcelina of the Vast Oceans”
14. “The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)”

[BigRedLedbetter]

What is on the DVD that comes with it?

That The Aeroplane Flies High deluxe reissue track list in full:

“Bullet With Butterfly Wings” (CD1):
1. “Bullet with Butterfly Wings”
2. “…Said Sadly”
3. “You’re All I’ve Got Tonight”
4. “Clones (We’re All)”
5. “A Night Like This”
6. “Destination Unknown”
7. “Dreaming”
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
8. “Movers and Shakirs” (Gravity Studios demo)
9. “Germans in Leather Pants” (Gravity Studios demo)
10. “Millieu” (Gravity Studios demo)
11. “Jackboot” (Gravity Studios demo)
12. “A/Ab/E/B/F#” (Gravity Studios demo)
13. “Rings” (Gravity Studios demo)
14. “Ugly” (Gravity Studios demo)
15. “Blaster Caster” (Gravity Studios demo)
16. “Little Ditty” (Gravity Studios demo)
17. “Verily I Say” (Gravity Studios demo)
18. “New Waver” (Gravity Studios demo)
19. “The Groover” (Gravity Studios demo)
20. “Ravi Revi Roo” (Gravity Studios demo)
21. “On the Loose” (Gravity Studios demo)
22. “Slurry” (Gravity Studios demo)

“1979” (CD2):
1. “1979”
2. “Ugly”
3. “Believe”
4. “Cherry”
5. “The Boy”
6. “Set the Ray to Jerry"
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
7. “Tonight, Tonight (acoustic version/instrumental rough)”
8. “Jupiter’s Lament (billy solo)”
9. “Zero (8trk demo)”
10. “Marquis in Spades (8trk demo)”
11. “Have Love Will Travel (8trk demo)”
12. “Infinite Sadness (siamese outtake)”
13. “1979 (acoustic)”
14. “Aeroplane Flies High (acoustic snippet)”
15. “Take Me Down (instrumental)”
16. “Star Song (dat mix/vocal rough)”

“Zero” (CD3):
1. “Zero”
2. “God”
3. “Mouths of Babes”
4. “Tribute to Johnny”
5. “Marquis in Spades”
6. “Pennies”
7. “Pastichio Medley”
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
8. “By Starlight” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
9. “Set the Ray to Jerry” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
10. “Mouths of Babes” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
11. “Cupid de Locke” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
12. “Galapagos” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
13. “To Forgive” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
14. “Lily (My One & Only)” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
15. “Here Is No Why” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)

“Tonight, Tonight” (CD4):
1. “Tonight, Tonight”
2. “Meladori Magpie”
3. “Rotten Apples”
4. “Medellia of the Gray Skies”
5. “Jupiter’s Lament”
6. “Blank”
7. “Tonite Reprise”
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
8. “Stumbleine” (Live; 21 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
9. “Ugly” (Live; 21 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
10. “Meladori Magpie” (Live; 28 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
11. “God” (Live; 21 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
12. “Love” (Live; 28 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
13. “Pissant” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
14. “Hello Kitty Kat” (Live; 27 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
15. “Special Winner’s Song” (Live; 28 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)
16. “I Just Wanna Make Love to You” (Live; 28 February 1995, Chicago, IL, USA)

“Thirty-Three” (CD5):
1. “Thrity-Three”
2. “The Last Song”
3. “The Aeroplane Flies High”
4. “Transformer”
5. “The Bells”
6. “My Blue Heaven”
Deluxe Edition Bonus Tracks:
7. “Silverfuck (live 7/10/96)”

Live Inside the Dark Globe (CD6):
1. “Where Boys Fear to Tread” (Cleveland, Ohio 7.3.96)
2. “Zero” (San Francisco, California 2.7.96)
3. “Fuck You / An Ode to No One” (Stockholm, Sweden 4.10.96)
4. “X.Y.U.” (Los Angeles, California 2.3.96)
5. “To Forgive” (Washington, D.C. 1.6.96)
6. “Thirty-Three” (New York City, New York 1.11.96)
7. “Tonight, Tonight” (New York City, New York 1.11.96)
8. “Lily (My One And Only)” (Washington, D.C. 1.5.96)
9. “Porcelina of the Vast Oceans” (Cleveland, Ohio 7.3.96)
10. “Jellybelly” (Gent, Belgium 4.6.96)
11. “Bullet With Butterfly Wings” (Los Angeles, California 2.3.96)
12. “By Starlight” (Buffalo, New York 7.2.96)
13. “Bodies” (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 7.5.96)
14. “Silverfuck” (Copenhagen, Denmark 4.9.96)

Malsaucy Lake, Belfort, France, July 4, 1997 (DVD):
1. “Glimpses”
2. “Where Boys Fear to Tread”
3. “Eye”
4. “Tonight, Tonight”
5. “Transformer”
6. “Thru the Eyes of Ruby”
7. “The End Is the Beginning Is the End”
8. “By Starlight”
9. “Bullet With Butterfly Wings”
10. “Muzzle”
11. “1979”
12. “X.Y.U.”
13. “Porcelina of the Vast Oceans”
14. “The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)”

Shit. That looks fun.

[zeb]

i consider the thirty-three single, especially, to be flawless.

I remember buying those CD singles as they were released. I didn't think they could outdo the Zero or 1979 singles but that Thirty-Three single was something else. Add some of those b-sides to MCIS and that record probably climbs into my top ten.

[Birds in Hell]

At the risk of permanently putting zeb offside, I think I like Adore more than I do MCIS.

[zeb]

My fingers are firmly in my ears. I can't hear what you're saying.

[BigRedLedbetter]

My fingers are firmly in my ears. I can't hear what you're saying.

haha

[Birds in Hell]

Now I guess I need to find a cheap copy of Machina (and Zeitgeist, with some trepidation).

[BigRedLedbetter]

I like Zeitgeist and Oceania. Unpopular opinions what what!

[Jorge]

Zeitgeist maybe, but I get the impression that people really liked Oceania

[BigRedLedbetter]

For me....

Oceania > Zeitgeist

Both were solid though. Oceania has some really good songs.

[Birds in Hell]

Zeitgest has Jimmy though, so that's a plus.