Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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Re: Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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Backspacer:
GSMF 0
Got Some +1
The Fixer -1
Johnny Guitar 0
Just Breathe 0
Amongst The Waves -1
Unthought Known 0
Supersonic 0
Speed Of Sound -1
Force Of Nature 0
The End -1
TOTAL: -3

Lightning Bolt:

Getaway -1
Mind Your Manners +1
My Father's Son +1
Sirens 0
Lightning Bolt 0
Infallible -1
Pendulum +1
Swallowed Whole -1
Let The Records Play -1
Sleeping By Myself +1
Yellow Moon 0
Future Days -1
TOTAL -1

Well, I suppose I do like LB better.
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Re: Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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I actually had a dream last night that i listened to backspacer and got stressed because i felt it was too long.

Weird.

I used to enjoy it "for what it was" but as many have stated over the past few years, the album didnt turn out to be a quick little detour and experiement in song writing, it turned out to be what pearl jam is now.

I enjoy lightning bolt and think there are great songs on their but ultimately they aren't very interesting or have much staying power.

I dont know.

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Re: Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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I think Lightning Bolt is definitely better, although they occupy the bottom two slots of PJ records.
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Re: Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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I like every song on Ten, Vs., and Binaural, so those get +11, +12, and +13 respectively.

Vitalogy
Last Exit +1
STBC +1
Not for You +1
Tremor Christ +1
Nothingman 0
Whipping +1
Pry, To 0
Corduroy +1
Bugs 0
Satan's Bed +1
Better Man +1
Aye Davanita 0
Immortality +1
Stupid Mop -1

Total: 8

No Code
Sometimes +1
Hail, Hail +1
Who You Are 0
In My Tree +1
Smile +1
Off He Goes -1
Habit +1
Red Mosquito +1
Lukin +1
Present Tense +1
Mankind +1
I'm Open 0
Around the Bend +1

Total: 10

Yield
BOJ +1
Faithfull +1
No Way +1
GTF +1
Wishlist +1
Pilate 0
DTE +1
Red Dot 0
MFC +1
Low Light 0
In Hiding +1
PM, PM +1
All Those Yesterdays +1

Total: 10

RA
Cant Keep +1
Save You +1
LBC 0
Cropduster +1
Ghost +1
I am Mine +1
Thumbing My Way -1
You Are +1
Get Right +1
Green Disease +1
Help Help +1
Bu$hleaguer 0
1/2 Full +1
Arc +1
All or None 0

Total: 10

S/T
Life Wasted +1
WWS +1
Comatose +1
Severed Hand +1
Marker in the Sand 0
Parachutes +1
Unemployable 0
Big Wave 0
Gone +1
Wasted Reprise 0
Army Reserve 0
Come Back 0
Inside Job 0

Total: 6

Backspacer
GSMF +1
Got Some +1
The Fixer +1
Johnny Guitar 0
Just Breathe -1
Amongst the Waves -1
Unthought Known -1
Supersonic -1
Speed of Sound -1
Force of Nature -1
The End -1

Total: -4

LB
Getaway +1
Mind Your Manners 0
My Father's Son 0
Sirens 0
Lightning Bolt -1
Infallible 0
Pendulum +1
Swallowed Whole -1
LTRP -1
Sleeping by Myself +1
Yellow Moon -1
Future Days -1

Total: -2

So, by this system, my ranking is:

1. Binaural
2. Vs.
3. Ten
4. No Code / Yield / Riot Act (tie)
5. Vitalogy
6. S/T
7. LB
8. Backspacer

That's not my ranking.
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Re: Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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Re: Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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Backspacer:
GSMF -1
Got Some +1
The Fixer 0
Johnny Guitar 0
Just Breathe +1
Amongst The Waves -1
Unthought Known 0
Supersonic -1
Speed Of Sound 0
Force Of Nature +1
The End 0
TOTAL: 0

Lightning Bolt:

Getaway +1
Mind Your Manners 0
My Father's Son 0
Sirens 0
Lightning Bolt +1
Infallible +1
Pendulum +1
Swallowed Whole -1
Let The Records Play -1
Sleeping By Myself +1
Yellow Moon +1
Future Days -1
TOTAL +3

LB for me.
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Re: Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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I like both of these records, but lets see what this standardized ranking brings:

GSMF: +1
GS: +1
Fixer: +1
JG: +1
JB: +1
ATW: +1
UK: +1
SS: -1
SoS: 0
FoN: +1
TE: 0

Total: 7

Getaway: +1
MYM: +1
MFS: 0
Sirens: +1
LB: +1
Infallible: +1
Pendulum: +1
SW: +1
LTRP: -1
SBM: +1
YM: +1
FD: -1

Total: 7

Like I said, I like both of them, probably LB slightly more. Backspacer is definitely more cohesive. What can I say? I like this band, sorry.
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It's really staggering how feeble these songs are when stacked up against their other stuff. Seeing their tracklists laid out like that really highlights that.
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Re: Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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I mean, I can do the whole ranking thing if you want, but I like LB way more than Backspacer.
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vedder316 wrote:I like both of these records, but lets see what this standardized ranking brings:

GSMF: +1
GS: +1
Fixer: +1
JG: +1
JB: +1
ATW: +1
UK: +1
SS: -1
SoS: 0
FoN: +1
TE: 0

Total: 7

Getaway: +1
MYM: +1
MFS: 0
Sirens: +1
LB: +1
Infallible: +1
Pendulum: +1
SW: +1
LTRP: -1
SBM: +1
YM: +1
FD: -1

Total: 7

Like I said, I like both of them, probably LB slightly more. Backspacer is definitely more cohesive. What can I say? I like this band, sorry.
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durdencommatyler wrote:I mean, I can do the whole ranking thing if you want, but I like LB way more than Backspacer.

I like the way you board.
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Re: Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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Strat wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I mean, I can do the whole ranking thing if you want, but I like LB way more than Backspacer.

I like the way you board.
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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Strat wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I mean, I can do the whole ranking thing if you want, but I like LB way more than Backspacer.

I like the way you board.
how's your blacc hoo-ha?

still black! still works though!
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Strat wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Strat wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I mean, I can do the whole ranking thing if you want, but I like LB way more than Backspacer.

I like the way you board.
how's your blacc hoo-ha?

still black! still works though!
you can attract a whole new class of chicks while you have it. I'd take a trip to downtown Denver if I were you.
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Re: Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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Whip it out at the 16th street mall.

Sounds like a good song title
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Strat wrote:Whip it out at the 16th street mall.

Sounds like a good song title
Or head down Colfax, amirite?
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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Strat wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Strat wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:I mean, I can do the whole ranking thing if you want, but I like LB way more than Backspacer.

I like the way you board.
how's your blacc hoo-ha?

still black! still works though!
you can attract a whole new class of chicks while you have it. I'd take a trip to downtown Denver if I were you.
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Re: Lightning Bolt or Backspacer?

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Backspacer
GSMF -1
Got Some +1
The Fixer +1
Johnny Guitar -1
Just Breathe -1
Amongst The Waves +1
Unthought Known 0
Supersonic 0
Speed Of Sound +1
Force Of Nature +1
The End +1
TOTAL: 3

Lightning Bolt:

Getaway 0
Mind Your Manners +1
My Father's Son +1
Sirens +1
Lightning Bolt 0
Infallible -1
Pendulum 0
Swallowed Whole 0
Let The Records Play +1
Sleeping By Myself 0
Yellow Moon 0
Future Days -1
TOTAL 2

I'm just now realizing I kind of like Backspacer. I also set my video games to easy or normal difficulty, and I don't have the attention span for books so I read comic books. The point is it doesn't take much to please me now. These albums both suck.
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theplatypus wrote:It's really staggering how feeble these songs are when stacked up against their other stuff. Seeing their tracklists laid out like that really highlights that.
I feel the same way, this exercise really underlines the relative weakness of the songs on the last two albums.

I'm less of a barracker for Binaural and Riot Act than some on the board, I think they're a step down from the 90s records, but there's nothing on the last two records that comes close to Insignificance, Nothing As It Seems, I Am Mine, All or None etc., let alone anything from their classic period.

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Backspacer:
GSMF -1
Got Some -1
The Fixer -1
Johnny Guitar +1
Just Breathe 0
Amongst The Waves -1
Unthought Known -1
Supersonic -1
Speed Of Sound -1
Force Of Nature -1
The End -1
TOTAL: -8

Lightning Bolt:
Getaway 0
Mind Your Manners -1
My Father's Son +1
Sirens -1
Lightning Bolt -1
Infallible -1
Pendulum 0
Swallowed Whole -1
Let The Records Play -1
Sleeping By Myself -1
Yellow Moon -1
Future Days -1
TOTAL -8


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