Terrible music you used to be into.

[darth_vedder]

Here is their most well known track plus below is my favourite. I'm a sucker for that single note piano playing.

Thanks!

Fire in the Head sounds sooooo 90's. Wow. That is like one of the quintessential rock sounds of that era. The second one has a little Faith No More kinda thing going on with it.

[LetMeSleep]

Man I bought a DM8 and wanted octopads so I could trigger loops and play samples like that 2nd track. That was my Garbage phase.

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

back before i found this place i used to listen to what the radio told me to listen to because i didnt know how to find anything else, so i listened to all the terrible ones, Creed, Nickleback, Godsmack and things like that, but within a few weeks of reading and posting back in early 03 i learned about so many great quality bands that i was done with the radio rock

[E.H. Ruddock]

back before i found this place i used to listen to what the radio told me to listen to because i didnt know how to find anything else, so i listened to all the terrible ones, Creed, Nickleback, Godsmack and things like that, but within a few weeks of reading and posting back in early 03 i learned about so many great quality bands that i was done with the radio rock

I see you've switched to your Christmas avatar early this year, doc.

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

back before i found this place i used to listen to what the radio told me to listen to because i didnt know how to find anything else, so i listened to all the terrible ones, Creed, Nickleback, Godsmack and things like that, but within a few weeks of reading and posting back in early 03 i learned about so many great quality bands that i was done with the radio rock

I see you've switched to your Christmas avatar early this year, doc.

yeah, lets say that

[Jorge]

An interesting piece on nu metal: http://decibelmagazine.com/blog/2015/8/ ... f-nu-metal

[Wendy Carlos's Twin]

I never listened to nu-metal because I had pubes by that point.

[BigRedLedbetter]

Haha....pubes

[spike]

back before i found this place i used to listen to what the radio told me to listen to because i didnt know how to find anything else, so i listened to all the terrible ones, Creed, Nickleback, Godsmack and things like that, but within a few weeks of reading and posting back in early 03 i learned about so many great quality bands that i was done with the radio rock

I see you've switched to your Christmas avatar early this year, doc.

yeah, lets say that

get it together, van nostrand

[Birds in Hell]

An interesting piece on nu metal: http://decibelmagazine.com/blog/2015/8/ ... f-nu-metal

This was great, cheers.

[Norah]

An interesting piece on nu metal: http://decibelmagazine.com/blog/2015/8/ ... f-nu-metal

This was great, cheers.

Yeah this was fantastic read.

I still stand by System of a Down's debut (and followup), and I find it hard to seriously group it with the rest of the late 90s nu-metal.

[Simple Torture]

An interesting piece on nu metal: http://decibelmagazine.com/blog/2015/8/ ... f-nu-metal

This was great, cheers.

Yeah, this was cool. It was an interesting read now since at 13 I didn't know anything about the "scene." It also reminded me that the band Kittie exists and that I owned one of their records lol

[track11]

An interesting piece on nu metal: http://decibelmagazine.com/blog/2015/8/ ... f-nu-metal

How does RATM figure into all this? Surely their music fits into the genre (rap + metal)? They are often entirely absent from such discussions, although they no doubt had a (formative?) role in the process. The article describes Korn as being the first big band in nu-metal, but RATMs debut album came out two years prior. I would say that their lyrics set them apart (at least from "Break Things"), but the article is really all about the music.

[darth_vedder]

Good read indeed. I've read about a 1/4 of it, and so far, it's really interesting. Love that they interviewed Charlie Benante from Anthrax, I've always liked them. "Caught In A Mosh" is one of my favorite metal songs.

[darth_vedder]

Created a monster with these rhymes I write
Goatee metal rap, please say goodnight

[Simple Torture]

An interesting piece on nu metal: http://decibelmagazine.com/blog/2015/8/ ... f-nu-metal

How does RATM figure into all this? Surely their music fits into the genre (rap + metal)? They are often entirely absent from such discussions, although they no doubt had a (formative?) role in the process. The article describes Korn as being the first big band in nu-metal, but RATMs debut album came out two years prior. I would say that their lyrics set them apart (at least from "Break Things"), but the article is really all about the music.

I think they at least deserved a mention in that piece, but really I think it's subject matter that sets them apart, at least in the way the author defines nu-metal. There's a difference between:

In today’s world, where vulnerability has become widely embraced and celebrated in many metal circles, it is important to stop and look at look at this integral aspect of Korn and what it meant in the scene. Anger, desolation, hopelessness—all were sung about endlessly by metal bands, but there were few if any bands before Korn who sang so openly about past trauma. Regardless of how truly autobiographical some of Korn’s lyrics were, they were graphic and direct. At best, earlier metal bands would wrap personal lyrics in allegory or create desolate fictional characters. But “Faget” was explicitly about frontman Jonathan Davis being savagely bullied at school. A tale of sexual abuse on “Daddy” ends with Davis sobbing uncontrollably.

...and RATM's intensely political lyrics. Instrumentation also might be part of it, since the author mentions the role DJs and electronic sounds played in nu-metal; RATM stuck with drums, guitar, and vocals.

[Kevin Davis]

Rage's whole aesthetic was different -- lyrically for sure, but they also never had that bowels-of-hell dropped-B-flat sludgy guitar sound, no bass strings rattling off the fretboard, none of that fright-night horror show bullshit that so many of those bands adopted as their stage presence. I would probably say the same thing about Kid Rock, too, really -- apart from the surface-level fusion of rap and hard rock, he really had nothing in common with any of those bands, almost always opting for braggadocio over angst, with his moments of reflection coming in the form of inward-looking ballads in the Nashville tradition, rather than blame-loaded tirades against his surroundings or his childhood. As there usually is, I think there were a lot of artists that rode the nu-metal fad's wave of success, despite not completely fitting the mold themselves. Really, all the kids wanted was loud music with a lot of yelling, which is really all the kids ever want.

The alternative rock band Stroke 9 had a song called "Kick Some Ass" that took a jab at these bands -- not much of a song in itself, but it felt pointed and relevant at the time...

[Simple Torture]

Rage's whole aesthetic was different -- lyrically for sure, but they also never had that bowels-of-hell dropped-B-flat sludgy guitar sound, no bass strings rattling off the fretboard, none of that fright-night horror show bullshit that so many of those bands adopted as their stage presence. I would probably say the same thing about Kid Rock, too, really -- apart from the surface-level fusion of rap and hard rock, he really had nothing in common with any of those bands, almost always opting for braggadocio over angst, with his moments of reflection coming in the form of inward-looking ballads in the Nashville tradition, rather than blame-loaded tirades against his surroundings or his childhood. As there usually is, I think there were a lot of artists that rode the nu-metal fad's wave of success, despite not completely fitting the mold themselves. Really, all the kids wanted was loud music with a lot of yelling, which is really all the kids ever want.

Yes.

[darth_vedder]

Rage's whole aesthetic was different -- lyrically for sure, but they also never had that bowels-of-hell dropped-B-flat sludgy guitar sound, no bass strings rattling off the fretboard, none of that fright-night horror show bullshit that so many of those bands adopted as their stage presence. I would probably say the same thing about Kid Rock, too, really -- apart from the surface-level fusion of rap and hard rock, he really had nothing in common with any of those bands, almost always opting for braggadocio over angst, with his moments of reflection coming in the form of inward-looking ballads in the Nashville tradition, rather than blame-loaded tirades against his surroundings or his childhood. As there usually is, I think there were a lot of artists that rode the nu-metal fad's wave of success, despite not completely fitting the mold themselves. Really, all the kids wanted was loud music with a lot of yelling, which is really all the kids ever want.

Yes.

I would have said what Kevin Davis said, but less eloquently, and with multiple formatting errors .

[Jorge]

bass strings rattling off the fretboard

Yeah, what the hell was that all about?