cutuphalfdead wrote:Oh man, you come from a world where Pearl Jam just naturally exists in the Classic Rock format.
we call this planet...Earth
For many of us growing up, pearl jam wasn't classic rock. They were leaders in alt rock. now they are old and classic rock and get played along side such songs as hotel california and for those about to rock we salute you
evenslow wrote:Hey Release_Me what did you think of Ed's vocals this past week?
Hey! I was pleasantly surprised by his performance on Stephen Colbert's show and also that duet of Redemption Song with Beyonce. The other performances from the Festival I was able to watch on YouTube seemed to range from decent to pretty damn good. Haven't watched all of them yet. He sounded great in parts of DTE and Small Town for instance. There were a few 'painful to listen to' moments where his voice cracked when he went for too much for no real reason (end of Small Town, for example) but I forgive him that occasionally these days.
The break from touring seems to have helped his voice but he does need a few shows to get fully warmed up. And I think he may have laid off the cigs or at least reduced his smoking somewhat because his voice sounds clearer, less raspy. Just sounds more confident overall. I think he's at his best vocally these days when he's not bouncing around on the stage too much.
evenslow wrote:Hey Release_Me what did you think of Ed's vocals this past week?
Hey! I was pleasantly surprised by his performance on Stephen Colbert's show and also that duet of Redemption Song with Beyonce. The other performances from the Festival I was able to watch on YouTube seemed to range from decent to pretty damn good. Haven't watched all of them yet. He sounded great in parts of DTE and Small Town for instance. There were a few 'painful to listen to' moments where his voice cracked when he went for too much for no real reason (end of Small Town, for example) but I forgive him that occasionally these days.
The break from touring seems to have helped his voice but he does need a few shows to get fully warmed up. And I think he may have laid off the cigs or at least reduced his smoking somewhat because his voice sounds clearer, less raspy. Just sounds more confident overall. I think he's at his best vocally these days when he's not bouncing around on the stage too much.
His redemption song performance was really wonderful. His voice sounded really full. I suppose when you sit next to Beyonce you are forced to bring your A++ game and when you tour in front of dumb pearl jam fans it doesnt matter
evenslow wrote:Hey Release_Me what did you think of Ed's vocals this past week?
Hey! I was pleasantly surprised by his performance on Stephen Colbert's show and also that duet of Redemption Song with Beyonce. The other performances from the Festival I was able to watch on YouTube seemed to range from decent to pretty damn good. Haven't watched all of them yet. He sounded great in parts of DTE and Small Town for instance. There were a few 'painful to listen to' moments where his voice cracked when he went for too much for no real reason (end of Small Town, for example) but I forgive him that occasionally these days.
The break from touring seems to have helped his voice but he does need a few shows to get fully warmed up. And I think he may have laid off the cigs or at least reduced his smoking somewhat because his voice sounds clearer, less raspy. Just sounds more confident overall. I think he's at his best vocally these days when he's not bouncing around on the stage too much.
His redemption song performance was really wonderful. His voice sounded really full. I suppose when you sit next to Beyonce you are forced to bring your A++ game and when you tour in front of dumb pearl jam fans it doesnt matter
Ha! I wouldn't put it that harshly but I do feel that Ed tends to bring his A game for the 'big/special events' and not the usual PJ tour performances. Since that Who Tribute in 2008, I've felt so. For him, PJ shows these days seem to be more about putting on a show or having fun and less about making sure he's singing with great attention to detail. Whereas he'd sing well pretty effortlessly back in the day, these days it requires him to make a conscious effort.
McParadigm wrote:Yeah, Daughter and Betterman were their two biggest radio play events, prior to Last Kiss. Long lived popularity is a different measurement.
That said, it's hard to reconcile the many realities of this band's popularity. On the one hand, Yield is far below the first three records in terms of presence. On the other, DTE and Given tend to rank surprisingly high compared to other tracks on streaming site charts (DTE is often a top ten PJ song for the last six months on last.fm). On the one hand they spent thirteen years as a "whatever happened to" band. On the other, in the US at least, the following statements are true:
1. If you add up the sales of all the original Smashing Pumpkins studio albums...all of them...you have roughly the sales of Ten.
2. If you add up the sales of all of the original Soundgarden studio albums...you have roughly the sales of Vs. (with both of these examples, you'll often find overstated sales on places like Wikipedia...looking at something like ukmix will give you clearer data).
3. Beyoncé has never had a solo album that matched the sales of Vitalogy (one Destiny's Child album makes it).
4. Daughter and Betterman were both averaging more plays at classic radio (in 2006) than Black Hole Sun, Tonight Tonight, Mr Jones, or any Alice in Chains song.
5. The top two Pearl Jam records are roughly equivalent in sales to the top two U2 records.
6. They remain an abnormally successful band for long term sales. Vitalogy is within 100,000 sales of 6x platinum, and Yield is a gnats breath from double (if it hasn't passed the mark already).
This band could announce that they were retiring Ten songs from concerts forever, and they'd still have two of the biggest rock radio hits of the 90's at their disposal, as well as a number of hits big and small (notice how Just Breathe fares in evenslows lists). And they'd still have relatively high sales figures for the size of the venues they frequent.
Almost as much as their hits, the band is now also known as "that band that survived grunge and is still around and has very devoted fans". This is sorta Springsteen territory. Not a huge singles act today, but a band that can bring it with alot of different songs and flavors and still have some people engaged. As a result, there is a curiosity among folks that don't know the band that well, but they are willing to hear what they're all about given the "mystique" or whatever of having survived this long. So, I don't think they need to crank out the hit machine as much, just enough to let people know there is something familiar in there. Your average singles pop fan won't have the patience, and will probably gravitate to Nirvana's timeless (and better) hit singles to see what that era was about. But for those that have the patience and want that elder statesmen who can deliver a trancendent concert performance, they'll hang w/ PJ, much in the same way they'll hang w/ Springsteen for a set even if they barely even know Born in the USA.
Don't agree with that part because I've never been a huge fan of Nirvana's music. I think they are one of the most overrated bands to ever have existed. Then again, it's not because they were bad, not even close. Just not as good as people make them out to be. I think most of their timeless aura comes from the fact that Kurt committed suicide at such a young age. PJ back in the day were the biggest rock band in the world, by all accounts. And that's when Nirvana was still around.
I'm talking about hit songs and hit songs only. I think Teen Spirit or Lithium or Heart Shaped Box are just better tunes that PJs hits, although not by that much. If I play Teen Spirit to a teenager right now I think they'll respond to it in a way where the PJs songs are a little bit more of an acquired taste.
That said, PJ is better for depth and breadth, just a better band to get into if you want to go deep with an artist.
I watched another teacher play Teen Spirit for a group of teens about 4 years ago. They were not impressed, and he thought they were stupid for not hearing how great this "masterpiece" was.
My only other memory of the event was distain at realizing I was going to have to listen to the entirety of that stupid song along with them.
McParadigm wrote:Yeah, Daughter and Betterman were their two biggest radio play events, prior to Last Kiss. Long lived popularity is a different measurement.
That said, it's hard to reconcile the many realities of this band's popularity. On the one hand, Yield is far below the first three records in terms of presence. On the other, DTE and Given tend to rank surprisingly high compared to other tracks on streaming site charts (DTE is often a top ten PJ song for the last six months on last.fm). On the one hand they spent thirteen years as a "whatever happened to" band. On the other, in the US at least, the following statements are true:
1. If you add up the sales of all the original Smashing Pumpkins studio albums...all of them...you have roughly the sales of Ten.
2. If you add up the sales of all of the original Soundgarden studio albums...you have roughly the sales of Vs. (with both of these examples, you'll often find overstated sales on places like Wikipedia...looking at something like ukmix will give you clearer data).
3. Beyoncé has never had a solo album that matched the sales of Vitalogy (one Destiny's Child album makes it).
4. Daughter and Betterman were both averaging more plays at classic radio (in 2006) than Black Hole Sun, Tonight Tonight, Mr Jones, or any Alice in Chains song.
5. The top two Pearl Jam records are roughly equivalent in sales to the top two U2 records.
6. They remain an abnormally successful band for long term sales. Vitalogy is within 100,000 sales of 6x platinum, and Yield is a gnats breath from double (if it hasn't passed the mark already).
This band could announce that they were retiring Ten songs from concerts forever, and they'd still have two of the biggest rock radio hits of the 90's at their disposal, as well as a number of hits big and small (notice how Just Breathe fares in evenslows lists). And they'd still have relatively high sales figures for the size of the venues they frequent.
Almost as much as their hits, the band is now also known as "that band that survived grunge and is still around and has very devoted fans". This is sorta Springsteen territory. Not a huge singles act today, but a band that can bring it with alot of different songs and flavors and still have some people engaged. As a result, there is a curiosity among folks that don't know the band that well, but they are willing to hear what they're all about given the "mystique" or whatever of having survived this long. So, I don't think they need to crank out the hit machine as much, just enough to let people know there is something familiar in there. Your average singles pop fan won't have the patience, and will probably gravitate to Nirvana's timeless (and better) hit singles to see what that era was about. But for those that have the patience and want that elder statesmen who can deliver a trancendent concert performance, they'll hang w/ PJ, much in the same way they'll hang w/ Springsteen for a set even if they barely even know Born in the USA.
Don't agree with that part because I've never been a huge fan of Nirvana's music. I think they are one of the most overrated bands to ever have existed. Then again, it's not because they were bad, not even close. Just not as good as people make them out to be. I think most of their timeless aura comes from the fact that Kurt committed suicide at such a young age. PJ back in the day were the biggest rock band in the world, by all accounts. And that's when Nirvana was still around.
I'm talking about hit songs and hit songs only. I think Teen Spirit or Lithium or Heart Shaped Box are just better tunes that PJs hits, although not by that much. If I play Teen Spirit to a teenager right now I think they'll respond to it in a way where the PJs songs are a little bit more of an acquired taste.
That said, PJ is better for depth and breadth, just a better band to get into if you want to go deep with an artist.
I know what you meant. I just don't think that PJ's early hits were any less 'big' than those Nirvana songs. From No Code on, I agree there isn't much that would immediately strike people as a hit single.
McParadigm wrote:Yeah, Daughter and Betterman were their two biggest radio play events, prior to Last Kiss. Long lived popularity is a different measurement.
That said, it's hard to reconcile the many realities of this band's popularity. On the one hand, Yield is far below the first three records in terms of presence. On the other, DTE and Given tend to rank surprisingly high compared to other tracks on streaming site charts (DTE is often a top ten PJ song for the last six months on last.fm). On the one hand they spent thirteen years as a "whatever happened to" band. On the other, in the US at least, the following statements are true:
1. If you add up the sales of all the original Smashing Pumpkins studio albums...all of them...you have roughly the sales of Ten.
2. If you add up the sales of all of the original Soundgarden studio albums...you have roughly the sales of Vs. (with both of these examples, you'll often find overstated sales on places like Wikipedia...looking at something like ukmix will give you clearer data).
3. Beyoncé has never had a solo album that matched the sales of Vitalogy (one Destiny's Child album makes it).
4. Daughter and Betterman were both averaging more plays at classic radio (in 2006) than Black Hole Sun, Tonight Tonight, Mr Jones, or any Alice in Chains song.
5. The top two Pearl Jam records are roughly equivalent in sales to the top two U2 records.
6. They remain an abnormally successful band for long term sales. Vitalogy is within 100,000 sales of 6x platinum, and Yield is a gnats breath from double (if it hasn't passed the mark already).
This band could announce that they were retiring Ten songs from concerts forever, and they'd still have two of the biggest rock radio hits of the 90's at their disposal, as well as a number of hits big and small (notice how Just Breathe fares in evenslows lists). And they'd still have relatively high sales figures for the size of the venues they frequent.
Almost as much as their hits, the band is now also known as "that band that survived grunge and is still around and has very devoted fans". This is sorta Springsteen territory. Not a huge singles act today, but a band that can bring it with alot of different songs and flavors and still have some people engaged. As a result, there is a curiosity among folks that don't know the band that well, but they are willing to hear what they're all about given the "mystique" or whatever of having survived this long. So, I don't think they need to crank out the hit machine as much, just enough to let people know there is something familiar in there. Your average singles pop fan won't have the patience, and will probably gravitate to Nirvana's timeless (and better) hit singles to see what that era was about. But for those that have the patience and want that elder statesmen who can deliver a trancendent concert performance, they'll hang w/ PJ, much in the same way they'll hang w/ Springsteen for a set even if they barely even know Born in the USA.
Don't agree with that part because I've never been a huge fan of Nirvana's music. I think they are one of the most overrated bands to ever have existed. Then again, it's not because they were bad, not even close. Just not as good as people make them out to be. I think most of their timeless aura comes from the fact that Kurt committed suicide at such a young age. PJ back in the day were the biggest rock band in the world, by all accounts. And that's when Nirvana was still around.
I'm talking about hit songs and hit songs only. I think Teen Spirit or Lithium or Heart Shaped Box are just better tunes that PJs hits, although not by that much. If I play Teen Spirit to a teenager right now I think they'll respond to it in a way where the PJs songs are a little bit more of an acquired taste.
That said, PJ is better for depth and breadth, just a better band to get into if you want to go deep with an artist.
I know what you meant. I just don't think that PJ's early hits were any less 'big' than those Nirvana songs. From No Code on, I agree there isn't much that would immediately strike people as a hit single.
cutuphalfdead wrote:Oh man, you come from a world where Pearl Jam just naturally exists in the Classic Rock format.
we call this planet...Earth
For many of us growing up, pearl jam wasn't classic rock. They were leaders in alt rock. now they are old and classic rock and get played along side such songs as hotel california and for those about to rock we salute you
I remember hearing a Bad Company song in the 90's followed by Alive and realizing that the jig was up. There was really no difference. Any allusions to the contrary were washed away.
cutuphalfdead wrote:Oh man, you come from a world where Pearl Jam just naturally exists in the Classic Rock format.
we call this planet...Earth
For many of us growing up, pearl jam wasn't classic rock. They were leaders in alt rock. now they are old and classic rock and get played along side such songs as hotel california and for those about to rock we salute you
That's true. I erroneously rolled 90s alt rock into classic rock
Did anyone go to the Merch Tent? I forgot, but was wondering if they were selling a Pearl Jam shirt? Thought I saw on the Volcom pop up shop that there was going to be a shirt only sold at the festival.
AchtungBaby2 wrote:Did anyone go to the Merch Tent? I forgot, but was wondering if they were selling a Pearl Jam shirt? Thought I saw on the Volcom pop up shop that there was going to be a shirt only sold at the festival.
Hey Bono you could probably just ask Ed for a shirt.
McParadigm wrote:Yeah, Daughter and Betterman were their two biggest radio play events, prior to Last Kiss. Long lived popularity is a different measurement.
That said, it's hard to reconcile the many realities of this band's popularity. On the one hand, Yield is far below the first three records in terms of presence. On the other, DTE and Given tend to rank surprisingly high compared to other tracks on streaming site charts (DTE is often a top ten PJ song for the last six months on last.fm). On the one hand they spent thirteen years as a "whatever happened to" band. On the other, in the US at least, the following statements are true:
1. If you add up the sales of all the original Smashing Pumpkins studio albums...all of them...you have roughly the sales of Ten.
2. If you add up the sales of all of the original Soundgarden studio albums...you have roughly the sales of Vs. (with both of these examples, you'll often find overstated sales on places like Wikipedia...looking at something like ukmix will give you clearer data).
3. Beyoncé has never had a solo album that matched the sales of Vitalogy (one Destiny's Child album makes it).
4. Daughter and Betterman were both averaging more plays at classic radio (in 2006) than Black Hole Sun, Tonight Tonight, Mr Jones, or any Alice in Chains song.
5. The top two Pearl Jam records are roughly equivalent in sales to the top two U2 records.
6. They remain an abnormally successful band for long term sales. Vitalogy is within 100,000 sales of 6x platinum, and Yield is a gnats breath from double (if it hasn't passed the mark already).
This band could announce that they were retiring Ten songs from concerts forever, and they'd still have two of the biggest rock radio hits of the 90's at their disposal, as well as a number of hits big and small (notice how Just Breathe fares in evenslows lists). And they'd still have relatively high sales figures for the size of the venues they frequent.
Almost as much as their hits, the band is now also known as "that band that survived grunge and is still around and has very devoted fans". This is sorta Springsteen territory. Not a huge singles act today, but a band that can bring it with alot of different songs and flavors and still have some people engaged. As a result, there is a curiosity among folks that don't know the band that well, but they are willing to hear what they're all about given the "mystique" or whatever of having survived this long. So, I don't think they need to crank out the hit machine as much, just enough to let people know there is something familiar in there. Your average singles pop fan won't have the patience, and will probably gravitate to Nirvana's timeless (and better) hit singles to see what that era was about. But for those that have the patience and want that elder statesmen who can deliver a trancendent concert performance, they'll hang w/ PJ, much in the same way they'll hang w/ Springsteen for a set even if they barely even know Born in the USA.
Don't agree with that part because I've never been a huge fan of Nirvana's music. I think they are one of the most overrated bands to ever have existed. Then again, it's not because they were bad, not even close. Just not as good as people make them out to be. I think most of their timeless aura comes from the fact that Kurt committed suicide at such a young age. PJ back in the day were the biggest rock band in the world, by all accounts. And that's when Nirvana was still around.
Nirvana would have flamed out so hard if Kurt were still alive. They'd have become has beens before the year 2000. That shotgun was the best thing that ever happened to the Nirvana brand.
