The Secession Thread

[BurtReynolds]

With secession fever sweeping across western Europe (ok maybe I'm exaggerating), you think it could ever happen in the US again? We're practically two countries already. Would anyone go to war to stop it? Would it be a good thing? Does secession weaken the West globally? Which state do you want to live in when the shit goes down? What country will your bunker be in? Will the Man be able to keep these secession movements down forever?

[LoathedVermin72]

lol fart

[BurtReynolds]

i was thinking the other day that democracies, even the good ones, don't seem to make it past the 200 year mark. We're a little beyond that, if you can still call this a democracy, but it seems inevitable that they break up or become dictatorships. I'd opt for the breaking up plan.

That's why I am announcing that I am seceding from the Union and setting up Burtland.

Drinking and driving will be legal again, as God intended.

[doug rr]

jameson

[BurtReynolds]

jameson

will be heavily taxed.

[doug rr]

jameson

will be heavily taxed.

thats just mean

[simple schoolboy]

Maybe you won't feel that the term secession applies, but Czechoslovakia --> Czech Republic & Slovakia seems like a good model to follow. They both did fairly well separately, and there wasn't any violence to speak of in the split.

As far as the US goes, I am not optimistic that we are as civilized as these particular central Europeans. We don't appreciate the centrality of Pilsners in western civilization, for one.

[darth_vedder]

This is a fascinating subject to me, and as an American, I'm kind of for it. Fuck it, why not? This country is so fractured, why not spit her up and make like 3, or 4, or 5 new countries out of the good 'ol USofA?

Here is a cool article that kinda shows what this thread is about: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/cult ... erica.html

[LoathedVermin72]

I find this concept terrifying. It would not end well.

[Norah]

agreed

[darth_vedder]

me too

[darth_vedder]

nonetheless, i think it's fascinating. don't think it will ever happen, don't think it should. would most likely be a disaster, but still interesting to think about. it would make a good movie.

[E.H. Ruddock]

nonetheless, i think it's fascinating. don't think it will ever happen, don't think it should. would most likely be a disaster, but still interesting to think about. it would make a good movie.

[Mine]

nonetheless, i think it's fascinating. don't think it will ever happen, don't think it should. would most likely be a disaster, but still interesting to think about. it would make a good movie.

No it isn't very likely to ever happen. There's an usually understated reason behind the breaking up of central and eastern European countries such as Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. They had an expiration date from day one. There where separate nations within a country. We were people speaking different languages (not dialects but substantially different languages) and had our different histories. It was a transitional period between the era of the monarchies and the contemporary independent countries. It just something that would have happened and it obviously coincided with the collapse of communism - which was a time bomb in it's own right.

The US situation is much more similar with how for example Italy or Germany are. As many differences and issues that may exist between southern and northern regions of Italy they're still all Italians. Germany is probably even better as an example since the end of communism actually united the country. People from Sicily or Tuscany consider themselves Italians 1st. Slovenians and Croatians didn't really consider themselves Yugoslavians (that's much more common for Serbs though). I think it's similar for Czechs and Slovaks.

[BurtReynolds]

On a long enough time line, its almost a certainty. I can't imagine the US map will look the same in fifty or a hundred years. I'm amazed no one else can even conceive that it won't be the same forever, when nations have morphed for all of human history.

I also don't think it would be a bad thing.

I don't think comparisons to Germany are Italy are very close. We're more like the UK, which is barely held together as it is.

I mean, a hundred and fifty years ago, the country was in the midst of one of the most brutal civil wars in history. That wasn't that long ago in the grand scheme of things.

[darth_vedder]

nonetheless, i think it's fascinating. don't think it will ever happen, don't think it should. would most likely be a disaster, but still interesting to think about. it would make a good movie.

Well, that's more a movie about a centralized government controlling things, more like 1984. I'm thinking more or less something like a new civil war that leads to 4 or 5 new states based on political beliefs. Then dealing with the aftermath in the sequels if the original is any good.

[McParadigm]

Once they get the holodecks working, I won't give a shit what any of you do. But try to keep it together until then.

[BurtReynolds]

http://www.businessinsider.com/actually ... ap-2013-11

[dpupenya]

Nor cal keeps wanting to split into its ow state, the State of Jefferson

http://www.jeffersonstate.com

[Green Habit]

Nor cal keeps wanting to split into its ow state, the State of Jefferson

http://www.jeffersonstate.com

I once made a crude map redrawing what the boundaries of the West's states should be. I'll have to see if I can find that.